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Old 06-11-2014, 09:35 PM   #21
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NJ Brickie, NEVER seen the soaps grouted or re-bars place inside soaps on a W-Beam. Would you weld Nelson studs to both sides of the bottom of top flange & the top of the top flange for bonding?
Something got mixed up here. I was not talking about grouting the slabs. I was saying to isolate the cells above with the Nelson studs from the slabs below. To avoid blowing out the slabs when grouting.
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NJ Brickie, NEVER seen the soaps grouted or re-bars place inside soaps on a W-Beam.
Neither have I, and I think that's where a lot of the confusion is coming from here. The drawing shows the soaps grouted solid to the beam with horizontal rod between the flanges of the beam.

6string, what you want is to find someone who can build the "beam lintels" for you. Typically, you'll want an 8" narrow flange beam (~3.5" wide) with a 1/4" x 7" plate stitch welded to the bottom. I've got a fab shop that does them regularily here and has standard pricing if you can't find any quick enough.........
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NJ Brickie, The detail shows a "soaped" bond beam(U-Block) laid on the w-Beam grouted and calls for the 2-# 5 rebars 4" from bottom of w18...

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A, Build it as drawn, weld Nelson studs to top of metal beam every 16"( or weld the vertical bars to iron, add couple of stirrups(loops of # 2-3 bar from Beam to top bar at roof bearing) at each end.

The issue with the as drawn construction is will the grouted rebar stay bonded to the W-beam and act compositely for the foreseeable future?

B1. Shut up and build it with rebar in the course above the beam with Studs, tie Vertical to top bar again. Dead legs under the steel for a few days or a week if GC wants to land core decking ASAP.
A2. Add two horizontal bars above the steel in notched out block, Rest as A1. Keep calm, carry on--my recommendation.

C.Call the detailer's boss for some new pictures....
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NJ Brickie, The detail shows a "soaped" bond beam(U-Block) laid on the w-Beam grouted and calls for the 2-# 5 rebars 4" from bottom of w18...

Options:
A, Build it as drawn, weld Nelson studs to top of metal beam every 16"( or weld the vertical bars to iron, add couple of stirrups(loops of # 2-3 bar from Beam to top bar at roof bearing) at each end.

The issue with the as drawn construction is will the grouted rebar stay bonded to the W-beam and act compositely for the foreseeable future?

B1. Shut up and build it with rebar in the course above the beam with Studs, tie Vertical to top bar again. Dead legs under the steel for a few days or a week if GC wants to land core decking ASAP.
A2. Add two horizontal bars above the steel in notched out block, Rest as A1. Keep calm, carry on--my recommendation.

C.Call the detailer's boss for some new pictures....
You are correct. I've never seen that before either. My guess is its a mistake. Is it noted on the structural drawings that way?
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I spoke with General today. They will be supplying the steel, but I brought up concrete lintels and they replied that it wouldnt be out of the question. I might try to get them to go that route. The longest span is 10' so I dont think that will be a problem.

I appreciate the input. Doing commercial plans is relatively new to me, so its nice to have resources like this to fall back on.

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