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Old 03-24-2015, 09:54 PM   #21
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I still think the front door is worse than the stonework
Agreed I figured it's a temporary, until the ordered one arrives? Looks like interior door. But I'm just a Mason.
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Old 03-25-2015, 05:14 PM   #22
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I cant say enough that hes a hard worker, fixes things without being asked on his own time(though I tell him to add the hours but he wont), and doesnt complain about weather, long days, or much of anything.



Then hold on to him with both hands. He has many positive attributes. Stick with him and work along side him,you can correct the skill deficiencies because he seems like a good guy and willing to learn. The bad attitudes are the aspects of a worker that are most difficult to correct. This guy is worth your effort IMHO.
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Agreed I figured it's a temporary, until the ordered one arrives? Looks like interior door. But I'm just a Mason.
Dunnage (sic?) door.
Was quite common in southern WI, in 6 strings neck of the woods maybe still. Boys in da nort woods hang on to the 'older' ways longer LOL
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:30 PM   #24
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First off, yes you can sell that wall. I applaud you for not settling for ok and pushing your guy to be a great mason. Way too many guys out there who are just happy to get the check and move on.

The pillar on the right gets pretty wonky, but it might be the camera angle. Zipper joints every where, but the stone is small, so that is tough to control. My biggest beef is the coursing of random stone. Bed joints need to be broken up just as much as head joints on random stuff and this job is more like brick than stone.

It's kinda funny how in a tight area we think there is no way to screw it up and then when we get done, it looks like there is no way to do it right.

Three rules on stone work will cure most of the problems we see everywhere.
1. Keep it level and plumb (I like to use a string or snap a line to help keep odd shape stuff in line, admittedly the adhered stuff follows the wall so not much you can do there.)
2. Stack one on top of two. (Some ledge stone can be stacked once in a while, but don't make a habit of it.)
3. Break up your head and bed joints.

If you follow these rules, you just end up with nice looking work.
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Did you run short on stone? Seems like a lot of small stuff ended up around the door, where are the bigger pieces.

If the guy left stone in the box, but was working too hard to use up every last piece, that's a problem. Conversely, if you were down to the last box and had to use every piece on the ground then whoever ordered the material needs to be talked to.

There could be more to this picture than meets the eye...
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:05 AM   #26
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So how did your employee take the criticism?
Exactly how long has he worked for/with you?
I'm assuming that was not his first solo attempt. The biggest problem/issue with our trade is no younger generations are interested in working hard for their money.
At least in heavy commercial side of masonry. We are contracted to only work journey men level and above. No apprentice level work can be performed.
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Lots of good advice, my 2 cents is that you and him didn't pick a bond and stick to it, some panels the bed joints travel through, others they quit ~3 feet, Random coursed ashlar vs coursed ashlar maybe? stack joint in inside corner brakes illusion of full bed stones... the manufacturing/sawing of the NVT favors smaller pieces then full bed. The stone supplied doesn't have the correct ratio of heights IMO.

Keep any thin bed products off the the 3-D piers and arches, it would be cheaper to get full bed product to use on the 3-D fixtures.

Some have an eye for stone work some don't, the semi- coursed bonds IMO are the toughest to keep consistent, most of my jobs I can tell where I started, the rest blurs together.
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Don't know why there isn't a sill under the door...

Not on your helper, but on a side design note, if I may...

Regardless of whether the door slab is being changed out, a piece of bluestone, (or any type of kick board, for that matter), would have gone a long way to anchor the entry door assembly and even, hopefully eliminate the stackers on the right.(Ok, I guess that would be your helper)

On a personal note, I have absolutely no tolerance for cross intersections under any circumstances, let alone 3 on top of each other, that includes flat work, but then, that's just me.

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I agree on the intersections Diamond. When Im there if they put them I make them pull stone off and re do it.

They didnt send a very good selection of stone to begin with in my opinion. Not many jumpers at all, and many of the pieces were the 3 to 4 inch tall and 8-10" long. Not great to work with.

And yes, they always hang old doors on up here until the house is almost done. Save on knicks and dings when people are hauling material in.
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Interesting discussion. Thanks for posting 6string. One thing I'll say first off is I build sample panels very frequently for homeowners or designers. I do it gladly because otherwise you risk having to tear down a job you've started when they decide they don't like it after all.

I would say I agree with the sentiment that this house is built of somewhat modest materials and so I think the work looks OK. I've had to work with very blocky, similar sized pieces which can lead to an issue when you try to break up the horizontal. Of course alternating the stones properly at the inside corner is very simple with these stones so that certainly should have been done.

One thing I've done with this sort of material is to get a different stone which matches but is much larger - I've used random sized pieces of flagstone - and stick one on the wall every so often then just cut your other stones into it. Makes a more interesting look.

Personally I don't like the edge of veneer stones showing on the left wall - maybe that should have stayed low wainscot height there. And the one thing I would probably make the guy take out is the notched stone at the very bottom left of the right side column. I don't like notched or pistol stones I don't like triangles either.

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I had a customer who loved pistol stones. (never called them that, but it is the perfect description.) The more of them she seen the happier she was.
I kicked myself for a week for putting the first one in.
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Door is a construction door. Why would anybody not put in a temporary door to be abused until house is much further along.
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Door is a construction door. Why would anybody not put in a temporary door to be abused until house is much further along.

You would be surprised Sir, currently on a job where we built the brick veneer on the side and front of the
house, the $9000 door and frame was installed before we got there.
The brick is finished but still gotta do the stone. I asked for it to be covered but the g.c never did, got that request in an email.
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I had a customer who loved pistol stones. (never called them that, but it is the perfect description.) The more of them she seen the happier she was.
I kicked myself for a week for putting the first one in.
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