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6stringmason 03-24-2015 07:02 PM

Need a favor....
I sent a guy to finish the porch area including columns, under the door, and along both sides of the door. There are numerous errors that I've told him more than a few times to watch for and correct. Would some of you be so kind as to critique this so I can let him know it's not just me being picky?

NYCB 03-24-2015 07:14 PM

The columns look very amateurish, the joints are too wide and some of the stones look forced.

Under the door also looks forced and the stones are sitting level. To the right side of the door near the window it's pretty rough.

Not to come off prickish...but I get really picky too. I had my dad helping me last year on a veneer stone project and I kept having to take off some of his rocks...he was getting mad at me for awhile but after about a week he had it pretty much down to the way I want it done.

Inner10 03-24-2015 07:19 PM

Doesn't look bad, but it sure doesn't look like Bytor did it.

griz 03-24-2015 07:33 PM

Mortar joints, especially the verticals look too wide.

The front column on the right, the mortar joints look acceptable, but the stones just don't seem right.

I just don't get the feeling that a pro mason, who cares about his work, did this one.

fjn 03-24-2015 07:33 PM

There is absolutely no consistency in the coursing for the door wall and the wall to the left of the door. Also,unless it is an optical illusion,the left side of the right hand column looks like an hour glass + it looks like it has a belly in it.

6stringmason 03-24-2015 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Inner10 (Post 2720777)
Doesn't look bad, but it sure doesn't look like Bytor did it.

HA! I dont know if I'd have the patience or get someone with a fat enough wallet to have the time for crisp corners like that!

heavyc 03-24-2015 07:40 PM

Man that unsupported roof is pretty scary to me? Can't believe there isn't a temporary kicker in there?

FrankSmith 03-24-2015 07:44 PM

I like that you are trying to get improvement. That being said it doesn't look to bad considering there is vinyl siding on the rest of the house.

6stringmason 03-24-2015 07:54 PM

Thanks guys. I appreciate the feed back. It natural thin veneer, and they werent the easiest to work with and many of them were the same size. Like I said, I've made many attempts to tell him how to correct his work and how I want it done, but I think he thinks Im being picky. I know these arent things the average person would pick out, or even a lot of guys in different trades, but that doesnt really matter to me. I want it done the way its supposed to be done, so other masons who see our work say, "these guys know what they're doing."

FJN, can you explain the consistency in coursing?

My main problems I had with it was the stones the same size stacked on top of each other, the three high joint on bottom right of door, and some of the intersections in the wall. If I were there I would have made him tear it down like I have in the past, and put different stone in. I gave him the opportunity to try and prove himself, but I think hes still got a little learning to do. Hes a hard worker, just needs a little more experience and to open his ears.

dom-mas 03-24-2015 07:57 PM

I don't know.... to me it looks like the rest of the stone on the house. Don't know why there isn't a sill under the door and yes the pillars aren't perfectly plumb but it's thinstone so you can't really do much about that. Many of the heads are big on that skirt wall as well, also a few stacked joints on both areas. There does seem to be more coursing in that area beside the door though. It's a chunky, clunky rustic stone, I don't see much difference between either area

fjn 03-24-2015 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by 6stringmason (Post 2721281)

FJN, can you explain the consistency in coursing?

Look at the two walls where they intersect at the very inside corner. Nothing lines up with nothing. It looks like stone wallpaper to me.

JBM 03-24-2015 08:10 PM

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Before I answer I have a question.

Did the customer like it, and did you get paid?

JBM 03-24-2015 08:14 PM

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All seriousness stone work is one of those things. You have to know when or what jobs you can leave the guys alone on it.

On the front or entrance somewhere, thats iffy if your guy is iffy.

JBM 03-24-2015 08:16 PM

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When the mud drys out....when you go by at about will look great.

6stringmason 03-24-2015 08:43 PM

Yes the homeowner loves it.

And just to be fair on the joint size, I did a few sample panels for the homeowner because she was on the fence about tight joints vs whats in the pic, vs full joints like you'd see on old foundations, and this is what they wanted.

My main problems were the tall head joints, stacked stones, and intersections. I appreciate all the feedback. I'll let him read this to see its not just me being picky, and hopefully he'll take it as a challenge to better himself and realize its little things that can really make a job go from average to outstanding, even if most people dont realize the difference. I cant say enough that hes a hard worker, fixes things without being asked on his own time(though I tell him to add the hours but he wont), and doesnt complain about weather, long days, or much of anything.

JBM 03-24-2015 08:48 PM

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I dont think its alarming to have a joint go 2 rocks tall. 3 small rocks ill let slide as well, and try to stagger it a bunch. Zipper joints are chit and should be avoided, less then (depending on scale of the rock) 3inches.

At some point though you have to hit your sq.ft. number and you have to do that with what and who you have. That number is your retirement, your mortgage and your truck payment. Hit that number or go backwards. Or price it to go slower and hold peoples hand.

Nick520 03-24-2015 08:55 PM

Lota of long horizontal joint lines and some inconsistent head joints. Triple stacked stones to the bottom right like you had said. Colums don't look super plumb but that's always the fun part of thinstone/cultured.

In all fairness it is clean and isn't mortar stained. Anybody who isn't a mason prob wouldn't have any concern that most of us have said

Eddie's Masonry 03-24-2015 09:16 PM

Well if he didn't do a good job if you paid him you should have him go back they and correct his mistakes.

superseal 03-24-2015 09:50 PM

I still think the front door is worse than the stonework :blink:

heavyc 03-24-2015 09:51 PM

Doing sample panels for home owners?
Wow SOP for our commercial and military jobs, first residential job I've ever heard of providing sample panel.
Sounds like a tough customer. If she bought it the cutomer is ALWAYS right. Critique his workmanship flaws and keep on improving the final product to your liking.

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