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Old 02-20-2013, 05:37 PM   #1
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For those of you guys who have installed both the "real" thing and manufactured, what if any time difference have you found.

I have to give a price to some customers who want thin veneer on their foundation. They aren't set on a product yet but they do know what style of stone they want. I want to give them a natural stone price and a cultured stone price but I've only installed the fake stuff. Does the natural stone take much longer to install or is it on par?
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For those of you guys who have installed both the "real" thing and manufactured, what if any time difference have you found.

I have to give a price to some customers who want thin veneer on their foundation. They aren't set on a product yet but they do know what style of stone they want. I want to give them a natural stone price and a cultured stone price but I've only installed the fake stuff. Does the natural stone take much longer to install or is it on par?
I have limited experience with both, so take it with a grain of salt...but, I saw little difference other than the natural is a little heavier and prices were the same.

Besides the fact it wasn't made of concrete, I also liked that I could chisel or chip edges of thin stone veneer to tighten up the fits, whereas you have to live with what you have with manufactured...because you end up exposing aggregate.

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It's slower. How much slower would depend on the pattern/style. The worst comparison would be the infamous "drystack style". In this case the Cultured has the huge advantage of being modular, while the NTV requires much chipping, etc. per piece.

The more favorable comparison would be a random polygonal pattern, with a mortar joint. The natural stone may actually be faster in this case.

I would say, for a ballpark, figure about a 30% decrease in production.
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the style they have in mind is square(ish) random rubble with varying sized joints, anywhere from 1/4"-3/4". I've already signed for the fireplace which will be done in the same style. Off the top of my head I had a 25% price increase in mind.

Can you use a chisel on the thin stuff? I've worked with thin stones before as flagstone so i guess it's about the same...mostly grinder with a chisel to finish
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I have used a carbide hand chisel like this...




Or just use a mason hammer with the chisel end.
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When i do thin stuff i try to find 2 sides that "fit" and trim the rest if I need to. I rock almost every edge that I can. I trim off the stuff that is paper thin so that takes time. all of that takes more time.
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I prefer adhered real stone hands down. It can be worked, so you spend less time putting the puzzle together, even if you end up cutting half the stones. I have a tiny fireplace to do on Friday, it would be impossible with faux stone because I will literally have to cut every piece. Plus it is cheaper around here because the stone is local.
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I've done tons of each and in various styles and in my opinion, its all relative. While its true, the natural stone is easier worked(but only because you can work it harder). You can do the same thing with the cultured(cut to fit), but I back cut it slightly and grind away to a scribed line, and maybe nip at it a little with the hammer. This allows the fitment without exposing the aggregate.

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That looks pretty tight.

A close up shot would help us see it better.

What type of stone is that?
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The owner picked it out and had it delivered. I just showed up and installed it. I'ts granite....not sure what type exactly.
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i think the only difference in time is the amount of time needed to allow grout to dry before it can be struck up.
the pictures included is of an 18'x 10' fireplace with natural thin stone.this was completed in less than 2 days.no help other than home owner helping with lifting mud and stone to me.
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Stacker, is it the picture or is does that mantle look crooked? Must be an optical illusion.
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Stacker, is it the picture or is does that mantle look crooked? Must be an optical illusion.
optical illusion.the homeowner had a couple large cedars in his pasture and was going to take them to a mill to make his mantle.he decided to try it himself with his chainsaw.he did a great job,except that the one side of the mantle is thinner than the other making it look like it is out of level
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stonecutter posteda pic of a FP he did that used a reclaimed timber from a barn. Same deal. Top was level but the timber was 10" one end and 9" at the other (or whatever), looked out of level even though the top was good
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Hey! Whats wrong with using a chainsaw to cut a log. It matches the brickwork.
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That is one sweet oven! I should bite the bullet and build one for myself.
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stonecutter posteda pic of a FP he did that used a reclaimed timber from a barn. Same deal. Top was level but the timber was 10" one end and 9" at the other (or whatever), looked out of level even though the top was good
I did?
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I think so. It was posted here. I'll try to find the post
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I think so. It was posted here. I'll try to find the post
Please do, I have no clue which one you mean.
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Please do, I have no clue which one you mean.
Huh, maybe i was wrong and it wasn't you. I thought it was that one that you did for the older couple back in Connecticut(sp?) I'm going to keep looking

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