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Old 04-24-2013, 10:11 PM   #1
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Referring to Jacob Volk, "the greatest wrecker of all time".

"Jake hated the buildings of Stanford White. "When he built 'em, they stayed built", Jake said. Normally, when his men chopped a hole in a floor 10 percent of the size of the floor, the other 90 percent caved in. Not in a White building. The firm of McKim, Mean, and White patented a vaulting system that used 4 by 8 Guastivino tiles. Between 2 layers of these tiles was a layer of concrete. A White floor was self-supporting. If you made a hole the size of 10 percent of the floor, you would have to make nine more holes [the same size]".

She is referring, of course, to timbrel vaulting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guastavino_tile

The book is, "Stuffed", by Patricia Volk and is mainly about her life in a restaurant family.
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cool read T...Fundi where are you??

That stuff really is rocket science - love to try someday!

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Just ordered the book.
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As noted in the title, this book is not about masonry in any way. It only comes up because her great grandfather was a demolition guy in New York. The book is about a Jewish girls family that is involved in the restaurant business in New York. A good read for me, but I read anything and everything.
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As noted in the title, this book is not about masonry in any way. It only comes up because her great grandfather was a demolition guy in New York. The book is about a Jewish girls family that is involved in the restaurant business in New York. A good read for me, but I read anything and everything.
Understood.

We are voracious readers in this house, many of them include restaurant or food business types...besides tons of the expected trade books.
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cool read T...Fundi where are you??

That stuff really is rocket science - love to try someday!
You should try a small shelf or bridge in your garden superseal. buy some thick tiles 4x8 " or so and some gypsum for the first layer.

Timbrel vaulting seems the next progression for me. I posted the first trial project here last year. Stairs.

As I stated I cannot understate how much stronger timbrel is than same thickness by one brick or stone. Even Kings Chapel in England has movement when people walk on it.

Timbrel looks better, stronger, but slower and more expensive. think wood laminate.

I am making "tiles" in every kiln, stocking up for the day when we get a high end project. First I will roof my patio with timbrel method though.

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On related note we made our once-every-4-yrs trip to go ol USA. We were passing through chicago for a few hours to have dinner with my sister and requested to see rockefeller chapel at Univ of chicago. The ceiling were done by Gaustavino , timbrel method. which he calls cohesive construction.

On the way to USA we stopped a couple nights in Istanbul so I could see the AyaSophia. It was a church from 500-1500, then a mosque until 1920's, and now a museum. I spent 6 hours inside with my mouth open.




BTW, in the smaller vaulted rooms they run the vossoirs parallel to the walls like I do.


Next to the Ayasophia is the Blue mosque which is only a couple hundred years old.
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I watched an episode of ancient engineering or something and it was about hagia sophia. There were a lot of problems associated with the build. Looks pretty good to me though! I need to see more of the world.

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