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Old 07-08-2019, 07:22 AM   #1
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Currently I live in an area where the work is all low income and people just don’t want to pay for real high end stone masonry. The future with the company I’m working with is all cultured stone and brick/block which I can see draining my passion for industry rapidly. Where are some good high income areas for stone masonry within the state of California. I’ve been considering the Reno-Tahoe area.
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I 'd think there would a huge demand for masonry homes in the fire areas that are rebuilt.....

If your are truly mobile, staying in the Uber Tax state of California is silly to anyone out side the insanity that is the State Of California.

Low or no income taxes at the state and local level.

Far away from socialist controlled school districts or cities.

Any where with family to aid during hard times and vs versa?

Socially stable areas?

Free of imported cultures that don't adhere to US values???

Law and order?

Minimum regulations needed for a successful community...

Few unelected public officials....

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The main reason I moved is the opportunity to learn new skills in the stone masonry trade and this is not the place I will be challenged.

There is lots of new construction as a result of the Carr fire but everything is very cookie cutter here in Redding. Real stone masonry is not in demand because it’s far more expensive for good reason. You can’t compromise the aesthetic. It’s mainly cultured stone which might as well be peel and stick. I came from a place where I worked for 5 years laying wet and dry installation without touching a cultured stone and now this is killing my passion for the trade.

Everything is high production with no appreciation for artisan quality and skilled craftsmanship.
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most artists I know are very poorly paid, or work a "real" job and do art work on the side....

I agree with you, fauxstone is crappp IMHO

Learn to lay commercial grade structural masonry at 110% of average rate, You can get work coast to coast.

Enjoy the occasional real stone job....

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Currently I live in an area where the work is all low income and people just don’t want to pay for real high end stone masonry. The future with the company I’m working with is all cultured stone and brick/block which I can see draining my passion for industry rapidly. Where are some good high income areas for stone masonry within the state of California. I’ve been considering the Reno-Tahoe area.
Not really sure if you're an employee or not based on the above, but if self-employed unless you've got a base of clients to support your artistic/quality expectations, sometimes you have to do what you've got to do in your market to pay the bills until you develop your client base and get there... Certainly go after those you want to cater to (i.e. - build it and they will come), and eventually you'll find yourself among their peers (i.e. - those expecting the same artistic/quality), and they'll usually be some of your best advertising for advocating for the better product.

In the meantime, set yourself apart as the expert in your field... if you have a website, don't dis the lower end products, but rather offer articles on the differences between the products. Show a pic of what the veneers versus the real thing looks like, the benefits, etc. Put together YouTube video's of the process and why it's superior.

Just moving to another market doesn't always solve the issue...

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Plenty of opportunity in Colorado for a skilled stone Mason. As employee or owner either way.



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Just push it back with a loader buckee stuart!
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Move somewhere that has an old university and get in the mason shop there.


Those guys always get to do reno and repair work on the old buildings.
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Just moving to another market doesn't always solve the issue...






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Move somewhere that has an old university and get in the mason shop there.


Those guys always get to do reno and repair work on the old buildings.
Most of the masons with the company I work for now say they rarely touch real stone, just mainly stucco stone and that’s I’d be much better off moving back east if I wanted pursue stone masonry. I’m starting to agree.
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I agree entirely, I’m not expecting to become lavishly wealthy via solely stone masonry. Just mainly want to have some jobs that fuel my passion for the trade.

I’m not saying I’m above doing structural projects by any means either, but the reality of the area I live in is I will be mainly installing block boundary walls, some brick, pool tile, pre-cast coping, etc. actually most of California is this way from what I can gather.
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I 'd think there would a huge demand for masonry homes in the fire areas that are rebuilt.....



If your are truly mobile, staying in the Uber Tax state of California is silly to anyone out side the insanity that is the State Of California.



Low or no income taxes at the state and local level.



Far away from socialist controlled school districts or cities.



Any where with family to aid during hard times and vs versa?



Socially stable areas?



Free of imported cultures that don't adhere to US values???



Law and order?



Minimum regulations needed for a successful community...



Few unelected public officials....


The money I make in the winter building decks pay much more than any tax I pay. My property tax is only 3200 a year.




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There's big money in Orange County. Especially Mason work.

Only if your own the company though.

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It will be interesting now State income Taxes are NO longer deductible: Ending the exporting high tax states spending to States with more rational tax rates....

Don't forget all the increased cost of ALL goods sold under the tender regulatory mercies of he Over Sized Nanny State of California, such as 30 cent a KiloWatt energy rates and the failure to increase the output of infrastructure to match population growth, Where is the Water?

Who is paying for all the burned down homes caused by crazy anti-brush burning regulations and State ordered misspending @ the various power companies, 100 year Plus old High voltage towers and NO removing of dead trees and brush under the drooping lines?

Maintenance funds stolen for unneeded solar power panel give aways....

How did Cali's leadership get to be anti-individual freedom & property?

Did aliens(E.Ts) suck the brains out the voters?

post in ten years if you still have your equity. GodSpeed.

Some Plantation Owners died very wealthy, most were life time fiscal slaves to the banks in the Northern U.S. and Europe like Tomas Jefferson and Geo. Washington prior to land grant gift he resold to the new nation....I hope your business model doesn't need illegal Alien workers to have a profit margin going forward into a closed border era of National government sovereignty.

Think what kind of $ you could earn in medium to low tax State with a far healthier upper-Middle class the Taxifornia....
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It will be interesting now State income Taxes are NO longer deductible: Ending the exporting high tax states spending to States with more rational tax rates....

Don't forget all the increased cost of ALL goods sold under the tender regulatory mercies of he Over Sized Nanny State of California, such as 30 cent a KiloWatt energy rates and the failure to increase the output of infrastructure to match population growth, Where is the Water?

Who is paying for all the burned down homes caused by crazy anti-brush burning regulations and State ordered misspending @ the various power companies, 100 year Plus old High voltage towers and NO removing of dead trees and brush under the drooping lines?

Maintenance funds stolen for unneeded solar power panel give aways....

How did Cali's leadership get to be anti-individual freedom & property?

Did aliens(E.Ts) suck the brains out the voters?<img src="http://img.contractortalk.com/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Eek" class="inlineimg" /><img src="http://img.contractortalk.com/smilies/laughing.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Laughing" class="inlineimg" />

post in ten years if you still have your equity. GodSpeed.

Some Plantation Owners died very wealthy, most were life time fiscal slaves to the banks in the Northern U.S. and Europe like Tomas Jefferson and Geo. Washington prior to land grant gift he resold to the new nation....I hope your business model doesn't need illegal Alien workers to have a profit margin going forward into a closed border era of National government sovereignty.

Think what kind of $ you could earn in medium to low tax State with a far healthier upper-Middle class the Taxifornia....
Please keep the conversation pertinent to the original question. Thank you
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Move to Austin, every other swinging dick is.
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Wannbe BlueROCKER: @#16:

Work in California 40 years, make 70-80K$ keep 1/2, =$1.50 million spending money

Work in sane tax State with out Crazy Eco-Nutter power bills. 40 years make about 70- 80K$ keep 70%= 2.10 Million Spending money....

So Taxes DO MATTER.....

It is not what you earn, it is what YOU get to chose how to spend or Not.

Buy a Clue, learn how taxes and regulations EFFECT your income and what you get, or just wander around getting taken advantage of...The 50 States AREN'T equal.....

You like California, there THOUSANDS of 400 and 500 year old stone buildings on the Island of Cuba that NEED a quality Artist/stonemason, thank God the Island is mostly warm, as there isn't much Money available for Air Conditioning or heating......
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Wannbe BlueROCKER: @#16:

Work in California 40 years, make 70-80K$ keep 1/2, =$1.50 million spending money

Work in sane tax State with out Crazy Eco-Nutter power bills. 40 years make about 70- 80K$ keep 70%= 2.10 Million Spending money....

So Taxes DO MATTER.....

It is not what you earn, it is what YOU get to chose how to spend or Not.

Buy a Clue, learn how taxes and regulations EFFECT your income and what you get, or just wander around getting taken advantage of...The 50 States AREN'T equal.....

You like California, there THOUSANDS of 400 and 500 year old stone buildings on the Island of Cuba that NEED a quality Artist/stonemason, thank God the Island is mostly warm, as there isn't much Money available for Air Conditioning or heating......


My property tax is about 3200 a year and I'm in a high rent area.


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Wannbe BlueROCKER: @#16:

Work in California 40 years, make 70-80K$ keep 1/2, =$1.50 million spending money

Work in sane tax State with out Crazy Eco-Nutter power bills. 40 years make about 70- 80K$ keep 70%= 2.10 Million Spending money....<img src="http://img.contractortalk.com/smilies/thumbsup.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumbsup" class="inlineimg" />

So Taxes DO MATTER.....

It is not what you earn, it is what YOU get to chose how to spend or Not.

Buy a Clue, learn how taxes and regulations EFFECT your income and what you get, or just wander around getting taken advantage of...The 50 States AREN'T equal.....<img src="http://img.contractortalk.com/smilies/eek.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Eek" class="inlineimg" />

You like California, there THOUSANDS of 400 and 500 year old stone buildings on the Island of Cuba that NEED a quality Artist/stonemason, thank God the Island is mostly warm, as there isn't much Money available for Air Conditioning or heating......
I actually said I didn’t like California as far as my career here, that’s the premise of this whole thread. And although income is important I’m not as concerned with my wage but rather the type of masonry projects available. There is no need to resort to mocking me.

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