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Old 05-18-2013, 06:47 AM   #21
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All manufactures have problems, it's how they remedy it. I have a Chevy 2002 silverado. Rusted out brake lines and fuel lines due to cheap materials. Lots of complaints if one researches. Chevrolet's response: pound sand! Toyota's response: ......... See above. I have to give them credit.
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Lol your gonna buy another Toyota after having have a frame replaced because of lack of quality. After that I wouldn't buy another Toyota again.

every vehicle has its issues. obviously i'd rather drive a toyota
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every vehicle has its issues. obviously i'd rather drive a toyota
We aint talking a faulty relay or ac issue. Its the main part of your vehicle that's failing and they have to replace a frame! I wouldnt buy a Ford again if i had an issue like that that's for sure. I understand tundras aint built like the Fords or chevys but needing a new frame is crazy unless the truck is 50+ years old. Seems all Toyota forums are is full of issues. Not small issues but always major issues. Its no wonder they wont enter the 3/4 or 1 ton section of the market. they wouldnt hold up more than a couple years.
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you have no idea what frames are put through in a vermont winter. if i lived in virginia and needed a new frame then yeah... that would be some junk as$ metal but up here its a different world. you know they actually put salt on the roads on a daily basis for about 4 months per year?

that being said, toyotas failed sooner then average and thus the problem. to get a frame to last 50 years would be to treat it like a show car around here.
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All manufactures have problems, it's how they remedy it. I have a Chevy 2002 silverado. Rusted out brake lines and fuel lines due to cheap materials. Lots of complaints if one researches. Chevrolet's response: pound sand! Toyota's response: ......... See above. I have to give them credit.
Big difference there. When its a recall they are made to fix the issues. Its still sometimes a nightmare getting them to do anything but when the NHTSA get involved they have to comply with the recall.

Chevy wouldnt change out the fualty locks on any of our familey business work trucks. They have a known issue with the lock going bad yet they wont change them out. NHTSA wont get involved because its not a safety issue like a frame is.
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you have no idea what frames are put through in a vermont winter. if i lived in virginia and needed a new frame then yeah... that would be some junk as$ metal but up here its a different world. you know they actually put salt on the roads on a daily basis for about 4 months per year?

that being said, toyotas failed sooner then average and thus the problem. to get a frame to last 50 years would be to treat it like a show car around here.
I know how salt is on vehicles. i lived on an island that the main road in would be covered at high tide. The Toyota were always the ones that were the worst of the bunch. They would be completely rotted out in less than 5 years. Other vehicles were also rusted but no where near the amount the Toyota were. we used to use hi-lux and land crusiers a lot to pull boats out the water. They could be picked up very cheap used as they were not road worthy but great for using to pull out boats and jetskis with just a bit of ghetto welding work.

Try going through this all year and see how long a vehicle lasts.



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i've heard that its not actually toyota paying for the frame but the insurance company of the business that makes the frames for toyota. i haven't found out if that is really true but it makes sense.
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Why would you want a vehicle to last 50 years in the first place?
I use my vehicles as a tax write off, it's either give the government tax or drive a new vehicle.

I'm now leasing trucks as of this year as financing is pointless on the writeoffs, and the cheapest of the 1/2 tonn trucks is a ford f150 4x4

Here is the problem
Ford - guzzles gas
Gm - breaks
Toyota rust in 5 years, don't break and sips gas

Hmm ill stick to the toyota and if rust is really a big issue ill rust proof it every 2 years with airplane grade rust proof that cost $165 with taxes
Still cheaper in the long run.
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Under coat every 2 years..... And I have a Chevy.
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Why would you want a vehicle to last 50 years in the first place?
I use my vehicles as a tax write off, it's either give the government tax or drive a new vehicle.

I'm now leasing trucks as of this year as financing is pointless on the writeoffs, and the cheapest of the 1/2 tonn trucks is a ford f150 4x4

Here is the problem
Ford - guzzles gas
Gm - breaks
Toyota rust in 5 years, don't break and sips gas

Hmm ill stick to the toyota and if rust is really a big issue ill rust proof it every 2 years with airplane grade rust proof that cost $165 with taxes
Still cheaper in the long run.
Yeah fords ain't the best for MPG but they do very well when you look at HP/TQ vs MPG. But they are a heavy trucks also which don't help. Got to disagree with Toyotas don't break. All I have ever heard about Toyotas is issues with poor quality. They are riding on a reputation they formed many years back. That's why they will not enter the 3/4 ton market. They know that their trucks won't hold up with how they will be treated and used with the materials and quality they put out.

I wouldn't pay half what Toyota ask for their vehicles if I'm honest but everyone's different. Same reason why some would buy the same brand even after having to have a frame swapped out on the current one. Same reason why out family business keeps running Chevys even though they end up having new engines, new trans, numerous issue, numerous down time etc etc. Some people are just brand loyal even when having the worst issues with a vehicle.
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A refresser in yota trucks http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Article...tory_truck.htm

I had and wish I still had my 82 Hi-Lux 4x4 ( jap import ). That thing with 33"s was bulletproof other then the rust, I now know how to fix and build frames. The main reason I sold it was Im 6;1" and it was a tight cab plus I was only 19 yrs old and DUMB

As for the TACO and Tundras I think the US produced yotas have the worst of both worlds for along time. The Japs used to be all about light and dependable in 70s and 80s then the US market made them get heavier ( NHTSB) and try and counter the cost with cheaper parts by the late 80s and the US yota workers at the time left alot to be desired as did the suppliers to yota USA


As for GM, Ford, Dodge they as well have there good and bad years and eras. I have got real good at diagnosing 95- 2013 GM issues and fixing the real problems even if its not what the obd2 scanner says by dtc.
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I look at trucks this way.

GM, Dodge/Fiat, and Ford all makes trucks.

toyota and nissan make cars with box's behind them.

When I see contractors running around in those little tin cars with box's on them I think they look silly. When they complain about rusted out frames and tail gates that fall apart feel no pity for them...

A couple friends of mine drive toyota's. Ones got a newer minivan that had major rust on the driver side door. Dealership denied warranty $2K to fix. The other friends got one of them big buck suv's and has rust above the windshield. Dealer wants THOUSANDS to fix, known issue he was told. If it wasn't for one owning a 08 Vett drop drop top and the other a M6 drop dop would think they are ***XX.
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Simple solution is to move to a state where rust isn't a problem.
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I look at trucks this way.

GM, Dodge/Fiat, and Ford all makes trucks.

toyota and nissan make cars with box's behind them.

When I see contractors running around in those little tin cars with box's on them I think they look silly. When they complain about rusted out frames and tail gates that fall apart feel no pity for them...

A couple friends of mine drive toyota's. Ones got a newer minivan that had major rust on the driver side door. Dealership denied warranty $2K to fix. The other friends got one of them big buck suv's and has rust above the windshield. Dealer wants THOUSANDS to fix, known issue he was told. If it wasn't for one owning a 08 Vett drop drop top and the other a M6 drop dop would think they are ***XX.
When I have to listen to contractors with this kind of egotistical attitude, I know they sound silly.

Your precious 7.3 power jokes will go millions of miles huh?

Give it a rest.
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Everybody has their own brand loyalty for trucks no matter what the facts are. I had good luck with dodges, bad luck with fords and I also which I had my late 70's dual wheel toyota back with the 22R engine.

Talking about rust, whats up with the rusting oil pans on the ford diesels? Know 2 people who have that problem, thousands of $ to fix.
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Wow tons of opinions flying around here but too many trying to pass them off as facts. Everyone has their particular brand they love, me I go with the best bang for the buck.

Owned both chevy and fords over the years and neither compares to my tundra. By far a better quality truck, drives better, tows better, comfort etc etc etc. ( for what I use it for of course, your needs may vary )

BCC I am a member of many toyota forums and cant seem to find all the MAJOR defects you talk about? Yes recalls etc, just like every manufacturer out there, I mean its not like their having a major lawsuit coming up over an engine....oh no thats ford and their ecoboost failing miserably.
The rusty frames are on 04 and earlier very light vehicles, the new tundras are twice the size and have frames and drivetrains that dwarf the american models.
Oh and by the way BCC, they had scheduled development of 3/4 and 1 tons for consumers but were derailed when they had the tsunami take out factories and supplies in Japan.
They already have a high end commercial division called Hino that does heavy duty dumps, cargo trucks with diesels and hybrids already in the heavy duty fleets.
Really, just say, I hate Toyota, ford etc and then slam away, just dont try to pass off bs opinions as fact.

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Wow tons of opinions flying around here but too many trying to pass them off as facts. Everyone has their particular brand they love, me I go with the best bang for the buck.

Owned both chevy and fords over the years and neither compares to my tundra. By far a better quality truck, drives better, tows better, comfort etc etc etc. ( for what I use it for of course, your needs may vary )

BCC I am a member of many toyota forums and cant seem to find all the MAJOR defects you talk about? Yes recalls etc, just like every manufacturer out there, I mean its not like their having a major lawsuit coming up over an engine....oh no thats ford and their ecoboost failing miserably.
The rusty frames are on 04 and earlier very light vehicles, the new tundras are twice the size and have frames and drivetrains that dwarf the american models.
Oh and by the way BCC, they were developing 3/4 and 1 tons for consumers but were derailed when they had the tsunami take out factories and supplies in Japan.
They already have a high end commercial division called Hino that does heavy duty dumps, cargo trucks with diesels and hybrids already in the heavy duty fleets.
Really, just say, I hate Toyota, ford etc and then slam away, just dont try to pass off bs opinions as fact.
Your not gonna convince any real truck owners tundra's are any good. I looked at all the trucks when buying my first and Toyota would have been at the bottom with Nissan and dodge. At the time of me buying the issues from the top of my head were of course rust as they always are. tailgate issues, paint issues, bed panel warping issues, air pump issues, diff issues, brake issues im not talking just quick fix problems here either. These were all major mechanical issues that were filling the tundra forums. yeah I am also a member on most tundra forums. that's how I figured out to steer clear. but anyway Just from the interior alone it would have been bottom of the bunch let alone the serious lack of quality. Plus they will never learn about rust. The poor quality tinfoil they push as quality steel will still always rust and their will never be a Toyota built that does not have rust issues.

I heard a rumor they were still using that pathetic thing they call a truck frame in the new 2014! Again they wont learn their lesson. I also heard the interior is gonna be a rip off of the 2009 F150 interior also. Bout time they made a update to the interior layout and quality though so that's a good thing. Still wont ever get me in one though as I don't mind paying a bit more cash and getting a real truck. Dam I would own a chevy over a Toyota
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Honestly BCC, your continuing to spew nonsense doesnt help your case, you hate toyota, great, no skin off me. I traded my ford in for this truck and was like moving to a cadillac.

Also you might want to get with the 2000's, these arent the same small import tundras, the drivetrain dwarfs chevy and ford, driveshafts/ universals the size of 3/4 and larger americans.

Thanks for the warning about the interior as well, if they do copy the fords cheap plastic garbage interior, I would have to go to back to chevy also.

As far as price, again skip, get a clue, you would pay more for a real truck? Tundras are more then comparable chev/ford, but also equipped with far more as well. Stock dual heated mirrors, dual climate control ( not even available on Ford, mirrors are but you pay for them ) More payload, more more more....lol

Again, Im no fanboy of any brand, just best bang for my buck in class and I'm driving it.
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ok lets educate the noob some more. Yes F150s do have dual climate control. so lets put that to bed.

no tundras interior like for like is no where near the quality of the tundras. for one the Toyota is full of plastic and fake leather. yeah most trucks are but lets be clear hear the ford uses real brushed alloy and leather and toyota does not. not only that but the interior feel, quality, layout, design etc etc of the f150's blows the tundras away in every way.

lets take a quick look. pictures say a thousand words. its no wonder they want to copy the design on the f150 interior. even the f250 blows the tundras away







ok on to the next thing. lets not even talk about how the frame is riveted together or why they use a c channel frame over a hydroformed box frame. lets let the videos do the talking. can anyone say bed bounce

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lets not even go there about options and features. get over onto the build sites your self. Ford offer way more than Toyota do in the way of options. My favs are intergrated brake controller with built in sway control. yes the sway control also controls the trailers brakes. sweet hey.

tailgate step - I love this feature. use it all the time.

side steps - yeah same thing here to. great little add on for getting into the bed. (lets not confuse these with the ghetto ones on the tundra lol)

power running boards. gets them out the way when your not in need of them.

Sync/my touch - sweet system that blows away the tundras in every respect

xenons - do Tundra even have them on any car let alone a truck!

Bed extender - not sure if they even offer this yet as an option but they may well do since I looked last


I will stop there as I don't want to give you too much of a thrashing
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Why in gods name do vehicle discussions always end up in chest pumping flamefests? If someone is happy with their tundra so be it, if they want to drive a damn dodge neon who cares. Its their money to spend the way they feel is best and it seems no matter what side of the fence your on your brand is by far superior than every other make out there. Well if that was the case there wouldnt be different makes of vehicles.

I grew up with a step grandpa who had a barebones chevy s10 that could do anything. greatest truck god put on this earth. Could haul 2 ton in the bed and pull any hill around at 65 mph in third gear. Then go off road in 2 wheel drive and drive by all the f250's stuck in the mud. Keep in mind it was 2wd....it was old then, its still old now.

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