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Old 04-05-2019, 11:52 AM   #81
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BTW, energy cost is a fundamental economic input for countries, and energy costs can sink an economy.

On the one hand, you can improve efficiency, but the fundamental says we should be looking for less expensive energy.
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BTW, energy cost is a fundamental economic input for countries, and energy costs can sink an economy.

On the one hand, you can improve efficiency, but the fundamental says we should be looking for less expensive energy.
One day are cars will run on garbage! Then the ecomomy is in real trouble... Anything can be done if we put are minds to it!


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still doesn't help the car work in the cold. Can heat it for days but once you open that door to use it doesn't matter how warm the battery is.
Every job site will need a geo thermal garage.
every camp ground will need a geo thermal garage.
every store will need a geo thermal garage.
so now we are talking huge geo thermal power plants. big risks of earthquakes in some or most power hungry regions. its not realistic
I was kidding.

But plugging in a warmer might make it work, similar to engine block heaters for diesel vehicles. The whole garage doesn't have to be heated.
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I was kidding.

But plugging in a warmer might make it work, similar to engine block heaters for diesel vehicles. The whole garage doesn't have to be heated.
Double the charge needs to be generated by what?

The energy grid would have to be totally revamped... hybrids didn't take the market by storm because they came with baggage...
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I'm mostly referring to road conditions. can't drive around with an extention cord hooked up haha. Alot of Canadians have tried it but it's never long enough.
I would think the extreme hot climates are also not good for battery life or run time.
ya we could engineer some thing to heat or cool the batterys. but not every one can afford a Lunar Module.


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Not a massive E Car fan, I love the sound of the engines...
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Double the charge needs to be generated by what?

The energy grid would have to be totally revamped... hybrids didn't take the market by storm because they came with baggage...
Generated by a modified fitness bike, of course....as if you didn't know.
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Not a massive E Car fan, I love the sound of the engines...


I felt the same way til i rode in a tesla

And i love my v8 camaro but the instant power of the electric tesla is addictive




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They already have faux engine sounds. Don't the Ford trucks have that?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...nto-v6-trucks/

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ned-tech-dept/

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Cold has more effects than range. Lithium batteries can’t change below a certain temp.

The main idea with electric cars is you plug them in everywhere you go to have the range you need. If the battery can’t charge because it’s cold that’s a big issue
They thought about that, they heat coolant and pump it though the battery packs. If you have your car plugged in, you can run a preheat cycle. With plug in electric cars they use the gas engine to heat the batteries.

The biggest penalty is how regenerative breaking doesn't work until the batteries are up to operating temperature.

So long story short, they work, but they are half the car they are in warm climates.

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I'm mostly referring to road conditions. can't drive around with an extention cord hooked up haha. Alot of Canadians have tried it but it's never long enough.
I would think the extreme hot climates are also not good for battery life or run time.
ya we could engineer some thing to heat or cool the batterys. but not every one can afford a Lunar Module.


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Run gas engines until the climate changes then switch to all electric.


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as a hunter imagine being that quiet .no noise .i was thinking ATV cannot be far away .imagine popping in two dewalt batteries and racing off in a silent atv .

a use a box truck and i see they'll have vehicles like UPS use coming out late this year or next .this has potential .solar panels on top to catch a little extra juice .
Have you seen the quietkat e-bikes? I'd like to give it a try. But when I'm hunting it's usually 0 deg at night, and not a whole lot warmer in the day time.

Wonder how they work in the cold.
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Great thred .So many view points I did not know of .Still love the idea of some solar and electric vehicles have value . I see from what has been written though there are a ton of other great options .I think/believe new technology is great for the economy . Just good to explore new ideas .
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a friend gave me this pro nuke rap . very interesting .He says OIL Companies have poured $ in fostering a neg view of nuke .Just fascinating all the stuff I learn.


Composite decking companies foster negative views of wood. It's called business. They can do that!


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Great thred .So many view points I did not know of .Still love the idea of some solar and electric vehicles have value . I see from what has been written though there are a ton of other great options .I think/believe new technology is great for the economy . Just good to explore new ideas .
PV systems are great, love the idea of decentralized power and with advances in batteries they'll get more and more practical all the time. With the micro inverters on each panel one avoids the huge cost every 4 years or so of a new inverter plus they're easier to scale up that way.

Electric vehicles are going to end up dominating in a lot of areas just because they'll be more practical. So many fewer parts, great acceleration, smooth ride for sure. There's vast swaths of America where it stays warm all year and with time the cold factor will be worked out.
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I was kidding.

But plugging in a warmer might make it work, similar to engine block heaters for diesel vehicles. The whole garage doesn't have to be heated.
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Double the charge needs to be generated by what?

The energy grid would have to be totally revamped... hybrids didn't take the market by storm because they came with baggage...
Nope not at all.

My 1980 Toronado had factory plugin block AND battery heaters. They didn't even budge the electrical meter.
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Nope not at all.

My 1980 Toronado had factory plugin block AND battery heaters. They didn't even budge the electrical meter.
LOL... so you're saying if everyone doubled on charging/heating it wouldn't move the needle?

Free electric energy...

Guess we don't have an energy "crisis" after all...
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The leaps in science are pretty staggering. Battery technology is really the key to electric vehicles. There have always been two theories I have found interesting for vehicles.

One is for trains using the magnets for acceleration and deceleration. Opposite poles attract (declerate) common poles push (accelerate). Simply by folding series of magnets could make this work. In theory anyhow. Cool article.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...yyraLpAmZdis9e

Then there's the theory of using hydrogen as fuel. Separate water carbons into hydrogen and the emissions is basically O2.

Really I think the problem is lobbyist getting involved. Capitalism is so beautiful in the fact that the best idea wins. It can't do that if government is involved and picking winners and losers. I want clean energy. I think we can get there fastest by getting government out of the business of investing in business.

I think we're close but the fact that we set up two arguments is crazy. The reason the industrial revolution happened was because there was a race to the best product. Take this for example. In the 1970's most pharmaceutical companies spent nearly 70% of their revenues on R&D and about 10% on government. Now that is flipped.

Get government out of business and we'll flourish.
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The leaps in science are pretty staggering.

Then there's the theory of using hydrogen as fuel. Separate water carbons into hydrogen and the emissions is basically O2.

Really I think the problem is lobbyist getting involved.
Already exists... they've been spending the past couple of decades creating an ownership model through commerce and taxation to water (something that is freely accessible otherwise and falls from the sky)... both government and industry... you really think that bottled water is much different than your tap?

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