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Old 04-08-2018, 06:10 PM   #81
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Hes hauling around a dog and Tinder hotties not track steers and massive iron equipment lol

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I am about to buy another box trailer i think - for me.

My truck just has a Weathergaurd on it for just enough room for a big ratchet set, my Stablias, 18 volt drills, Fuel skill saw and a 12 volt one handed reciprocaring saw, a box of fasteners, string line, 2 cans of marking paint, trailer straps and my bags. Had to take 18 volt Fuel sawzall out.

No room for guns, a hose, much less the 50 other things i run into needing

I had not intended to need many tools and havent for a few years but with the labor shortage I am not hiring a bunch of idiots, my brother and I are both doing a lot more hands on work and just taking less on

My buddy suggested folding shelves so i can fold them down and pull my UTV and equipment in for hunting trips.

I will not be adding a rack or bigger box to the truck though.

It occurred to me to just grab a 10 year old diesel dually that was in decent shape and put bigger boxes and a rack on it and keep it at my personal shop, but it seems like that would be a waste of insurance and maintenance

Maybe a box trailer would work, Darren?


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I've Always worked out of cube vans. Grab a small trailer that you can just hook up when you know you're gonna be needing all your tools. Most cost effective solution. Especially since you have a brand new truck.


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. Tired of SUV's and don't need a full
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That's real good Mpg. I won't get much more with my truck unless I do all highway driving.


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I just looked at the picture again... It looks like the same size as a 1/2 ton. Those smallish trucks are getting pretty decent sized. The Colorado a buddy had was quite a bit smaller than a 1/2 ton.


Yea the Colorado’s are just about as big as the old mans 2000 Silverado 1/2 ton....friggin trucks are huge nowadays

I need an extension ladder to get into My new 2500 that I recently bought. I am not used to “climbing into” a vehicle yet


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Yea the Colorado’s are just about as big as the old mans 2000 Silverado 1/2 ton....friggin trucks are huge nowadays

I need an extension ladder to get into My new 2500 that I recently bought. I am not used to “climbing into” a vehicle yet


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I'm actually not a fan of it at all. The top of my bed comes to my chin almost and I'm 6 foot tall. My '06 dually I could get in the back of the bed easier than I can of what is the equivalent of an older 3/4 ton, except the frame sits MUCH higher on my Titan XD. My wife has a hard time getting into the truck, same as my ole man when he rides with me.

Why did they do this? Trucks were fine except jackass kids puts lifts on them. If I put a lift on my truck I'd need an elevator to get in it and a helicopter to see where I left my hammer in the back.
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Thats what im taking about doing. I would do 16-foot the so I can put my UTV in there and trim it if I wanted to.

Suggesting maybe you could do the same and not have to have two trucks



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Thats what im taking about doing. I would do 16-foot the so I can put my UTV in there and trim it if I wanted to.

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I'm actually not a fan of it at all. The top of my bed comes to my chin almost and I'm 6 foot tall. My '06 dually I could get in the back of the bed easier than I can of what is the equivalent of an older 3/4 ton, except the frame sits MUCH higher on my Titan XD. My wife has a hard time getting into the truck, same as my ole man when he rides with me.



Why did they do this? Trucks were fine except jackass kids puts lifts on them. If I put a lift on my truck I'd need an elevator to get in it and a helicopter to see where I left my hammer in the back.


Yup I agree, it sucks for people that need to work out/from the bed...it’s a pain to get on/off it. My new Silverado is 8 inches higher than it needs to be. The bed rail is level with the top of my shoulder (I’m 5’9”) making it impossible to lean over the side and getting something out of the bed like every other truck I had...

Unfortunately this forced me to spend over $700 on accessories so far (running boards, drop down/retractable bumper step) that wouldn’t be necessary if the truck wasn’t so high


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I am about to buy another box trailer i think - for me.

My truck just has a Weathergaurd on it for just enough room for a big ratchet set, my Stablias, 18 volt drills, Fuel skill saw and a 12 volt one handed reciprocaring saw, a box of fasteners, string line, 2 cans of marking paint, trailer straps and my bags. Had to take 18 volt Fuel sawzall out.

No room for guns, a hose, much less the 50 other things i run into needing

I had not intended to need many tools and havent for a few years but with the labor shortage I am not hiring a bunch of idiots, my brother and I are both doing a lot more hands on work and just taking less on

My buddy suggested folding shelves so i can fold them down and pull my UTV and equipment in for hunting trips.

I will not be adding a rack or bigger box to the truck though.

It occurred to me to just grab a 10 year old diesel dually that was in decent shape and put bigger boxes and a rack on it and keep it at my personal shop, but it seems like that would be a waste of insurance and maintenance

Maybe a box trailer would work, Darren?


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I'm aware of what they have, I had a huge chest toolbox on my last pickup, but this is a six and a half foot bed and I don't want side boxes.

Trailer will be cool anyway I can just back up hook onto it and go build whatever I need to build. When I need to go on a hunting trip or a cookout or something I can clean it out and fold the shelves up
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I think its an individual choice

So often on here people say things in blanket statements and i dont understand how its not driving people crazy

If you want a new truck and you can afford it buy it. It does have tax advantages but its not going to make up the difference between a 50k truck and a 10k truck.

Its all subjective. If your new in business and need to build sales volume, tools, equipment, operating capital, establish retirement accts ect.... you should maybe consider buying a 10k truck with no interest or payments. Thats what i did my first 7 years in business. Changed my own oil and did basic maintinance for 5 or so.

If your established and have the jack and WANT a new ride like NyGutters buy it He can certwinly afford it

Lots of people say its a waste of money. So is a lot of things! Boats, clothes whatever, its why we make money to begin with beyond our own sustainablity. people don't need to play golf, or go on hunting and fishing trips, go out to dinner or eat lunch out or drink beer, they don't need Rolex. They want them.

Every dude in this thread is from a different situation. One may make 6k a month and have all his **** together and drive a 20 yo truck, one may be the exact same but make 20k a month. A guy may make 20k a month and not have any of his **** together One may be making 3k a month and spending 6k and one may be making 3k and be happier than the dude making 20k!

It is irresponsible for a guy who can't afford it to buy it, some people are irresponsible. It happens. But it is not irresponsible or ignorant to buy something you can afford if you want it. It's not all just about spreadsheets and account balances

Personally I buy my trucks myself and lease them to my company, the lease payment is taxed at a less rate than my income and is completely acceptable by IRS standards. After a while youd take less of a lease payment to be in compliance or it's time to trade the truck in and roll over the equity or sell it to my company for my crew to drive (wont do that with mine as its red and my company trucks are white) and put that down

Besides the truck lease payment, I also saved something like $5,000 off of my taxes because she depreciated half of the truck this year. It was an unusually good year, one of those that don't happen all the time, and even after putting into my sep and paying in quarterly and taking taxes out of my check I still had to write a pretty good check after I bought this truck. So I got a new truck and I save some money off of my taxes

I also would not buy a nice truck if my company could not afford it and it's overhead. I try to be responsible financially, and I keep that in check by having the large roll over to keep the payments low or the payoff low if the s*** hits the fan and we go back to Lehman Brothers crashing in 08

I feel no different about myself, my business or ability to do business at the same level driving a nice shiny 2018 F-250 versus the 2001 Chevy 3/4 ton Workhorse that I started out in. At all. A truck is a truck.


Buying used at $10,000 clunker isn't the same as buying used at 3 years old.
$10,000 clunker, sure if that's all you can afford. My first truck was a $500 rusted out 14 year old clunker '65 Chevy.
On the other hand, somebody who thinks they are going to save a bundle by getting a used 3 or 4 year old truck is dreaming. Look up the prices on autotrader or cars.com.
People see the price of the used truck and compare it to the LIST price on a dealers ad. The list price is a joke.
My truck listed for over $74,000 but cost only $60,000. There were older trucks on auto trader that they wanted more for them than what I paid for brand new.
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Buying used at $10,000 clunker isn't the same as buying used at 3 years old.
$10,000 clunker, sure if that's all you can afford. My first truck was a $500 rusted out 14 year old clunker '65 Chevy.
On the other hand, somebody who thinks they are going to save a bundle by getting a used 3 or 4 year old truck is dreaming. Look up the prices on autotrader or cars.com.
People see the price of the used truck and compare it to the LIST price on a dealers ad. The list price is a joke.
My truck listed for over $74,000 but cost only $60,000. There were older trucks on auto trader that they wanted more for them than what I paid for brand new.
Not sure how people get big money off sticker. I’ve bought a few new vehicles and have never been able to get much over a thousand off sticker on my best deal. The others I had to pay sticker. The salesmen all said the same thing every time. “If you don’t buy it someone else will”. I walked multiple times only to go back with my tail between my legs because I couldn’t get a better deal anywheres else.

I spent days worth of free time researching last year when I bought my latest truck, went to all the websites who claim to get you the best deal and they were all BS, they each came in a few hundred under sticker. So I went used this time.
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Not sure how people get big money off sticker. I’ve bought a few new vehicles and have never been able to get much over a thousand off sticker on my best deal. The others I had to pay sticker. The salesmen all said the same thing every time. “If you don’t buy it someone else will”. I walked multiple times only to go back with my tail between my legs because I couldn’t get a better deal anywheres else.

I spent days worth of free time researching last year when I bought my latest truck, went to all the websites who claim to get you the best deal and they were all BS, they each came in a few hundred under sticker. So I went used this time.
It all depends on how many dealers are around and how many trucks the dealers have been sitting on. I bought a vehicle a few years ago $4500 off sticker
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It helps that my truck was a 2017 leftover.
Ram rebates + good dealer.

I found another identical truck at another dealer who "advertised" the $14,000 off. Then when I contacted them it was every excuse in the book why I couldn't get those rebates.

The dealer I bought from said the price they advertise is with discounts and rebates that everybody would easily qualify for and if I could qualify for more then the price was going to be even less.
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When I was truck shopping, they were showing me trucks with a 70k plus sticker.
Told him no way.

Then he showed me the price after rebates etc.

Cant remember if it came out to hi 50s or low 60s, but way less than their deceptive sticker price.

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Not sure how people get big money off sticker. I’ve bought a few new vehicles and have never been able to get much over a thousand off sticker on my best deal. The others I had to pay sticker. The salesmen all said the same thing every time. “If you don’t buy it someone else will”. I walked multiple times only to go back with my tail between my legs because I couldn’t get a better deal anywheres else.

I spent days worth of free time researching last year when I bought my latest truck, went to all the websites who claim to get you the best deal and they were all BS, they each came in a few hundred under sticker. So I went used this time.
Edmunds tells you what people are paying. Going into the dealer is your first mistake. Work thru the internet sales manager via email. They know you are price shopping and if they have the truck in stock will cut a deal to make it happen with no BS. Be willing to pickup 400+ miles away. Otherwise talk to Costco car buying...

Time of the year, like close of the fiscal year, and month play a big part in getting a deal.

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