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Old 10-27-2019, 05:47 PM   #21
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Kia has hired a lot of ex-BMW engineers and designers. They are changing their business model from the disposable segment to a quality segment.

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Kia has a line of luxury car now, the GENESIS G90 and it's a very nice car.
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Kia has a line of luxury car now, the GENESIS G90 and it's a very nice car.


That's a great car.


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Buy whichever one is made in the USA.
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Buy whichever one is made in the USA.
Does this have anything to do with it being the suitable product for the person spending their money on it? Does it make it the highest quality product dollar for dollar in its segment? Does it mean reliability and low cost of ownership?
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If it helps the Telluride is made in GA.
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Does this have anything to do with it being the suitable product for the person spending their money on it? Does it make it the highest quality product dollar for dollar in its segment? Does it mean reliability and low cost of ownership?
No. This has to do with keeping your fellow Americans working. No one from Korea has ever asked me to go to Korea and bid a job.

I do hold an exception for a foreign vehicle made in the USA. Although they are owned by a foreign company, they are still putting Americans to work. Anyone who disagrees with that, needs to look at Chrysler.
A few years ago, the "most made in Amercia truck" was the Honda thing (Ridgeline?). Borderline truck in my opinion, but still made in America with more American parts than any other truck. No I don't have one.
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No. This has to do with keeping your fellow Americans working. No one from Korea has ever asked me to go to Korea and bid a job.

I do hold an exception for a foreign vehicle made in the USA. Although they are owned by a foreign company, they are still putting Americans to work. Anyone who disagrees with that, needs to look at Chrysler.
A few years ago, the "most made in Amercia truck" was the Honda thing (Ridgeline?). Borderline truck in my opinion, but still made in America with more American parts than any other truck. No I don't have one.
So I need to transfer my hard earned money to a manufacturer and trade union that in many cases makes an inferior product because they live somewhere in between the same 2 oceans as me? Did you see the other thread from a few weeks back where some ex NFL guy who uses to work on the UAW assembly line was laughing about leaving loose bolts in cars to rattle around and mess with the people who bought them? Lots of pride there in building a product for his fellow Americans.

Iím all for USA manufacturing but if Iím buying a product itís going to be because it fits my needs.
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I find it very strange that people think it's a patriotic thing to abandon the free market. Buy the inferior product because its patriotic? **** that... build a better product. That's the American way. The other is what communists do.
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So I need to transfer my hard earned money to a manufacturer and trade union that in many cases makes an inferior product because they live somewhere in between the same 2 oceans as me? Did you see the other thread from a few weeks back where some ex NFL guy who uses to work on the UAW assembly line was laughing about leaving loose bolts in cars to rattle around and mess with the people who bought them? Lots of pride there in building a product for his fellow Americans.



Iím all for USA manufacturing but if Iím buying a product itís going to be because it fits my needs.


This line of thinking is unbelievable.
Go ahead and send your money overseas. Because a manufacturer had a bad employee. Iím sure all foreign auto makers have never had a bad employee.

One of these days when people canít afford our work or they canít do a project because their jobs were eliminated, just think back about how you preferred to not support the companies that helped provide you with a job. Maybe it wonít affect you. Most likely I wonít see the affect. Our kids will though.

I donít mean to be harsh. This was the most ďGĒ rated response I could come up with. I love my country.


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This line of thinking is unbelievable.
Go ahead and send your money overseas. Because a manufacturer had a bad employee. Iím sure all foreign auto makers have never had a bad employee.

One of these days when people canít afford our work or they canít do a project because their jobs were eliminated, just think back about how you preferred to not support the companies that helped provide you with a job. Maybe it wonít affect you. Most likely I wonít see the affect. Our kids will though.

I donít mean to be harsh. This was the most ďGĒ rated response I could come up with. I love my country.


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Oh, C'mon. Dont start that flag waving bull**** saying someone else isnt patriotic because they dont agree with you. That's childish nonsense that belongs in the basement.

Eric is being as patriotic as you. The made in America is definitely a plus, but if they make an inferior product that's on the company, not you to prop them up simply for sharing a certain proximity.

Patriotism of America is based on an ideal, and one of those ideals is a fundamental belief in the free market. If you cant compete, that's on you, not me the consumer.

Just please, please dont make this about a thumping of the chest of who loves this country... I have to assume we all do, and to insulate otherwise is a direct insult to a man's honor, and complete horse ****.
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By the same token, it's not up to you to create "rules" for what another feels is patriotic.
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I was thinking about this. Letís apply it to our own businesses.

Letís say a company starts up in the US. They fly workers in from other countries to do carpentry. When people start hiring them, how would you feel? I wouldnít like it. Iíll bet neither would you. But when you ask them about it, they bring up the lower quality carpenters.

If you think about, this is already happening.
Truthfully, this wonít affect me. It might affect my son.

I try to buy made in the USA, whenever I can. Itís not always the best. Itís rarely the cheapest.

I will say, Honda makes a really good engine. If you want to talk about quality, those engines are quality.

Iím out. A question was asked. I replied ďbuy one made in AmericaĒ. Someone after that even posted about a foreign vehicle, made in America. Telluride?
Then things took a downward spin.
This type of thing isnít for me. Iíll let others argue.


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Imagine the sense of entitlement that comes with thinking someone should buy from you if you are producing the inferior product or service.

Oh, and almost every vehicle I’ve owned, aside from a Maxima, has been a General Motors truck. Silverado, Tahoe, Escalade. Have a ‘68 Mustang too. And until recently my wife drove a Dodge Dakota.
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I get it. It is awesome to say you drive American made. I drive one of the most American made trucks in the country (Nissan Titan XD). I have no problem with that. None.

I usually look to Ford first since they didnt take the bailout too. Those things do matter to a lot of us. However, just like in business, if someone comes in offering an overwhelmingly better value than me from another country, that's on me, not the consumer.

I am never the least expensive, quite often much higher. I feel I am superior in quality you wont get from an immigrant because I have created a space for myself. If someone came in and started to challenge me I would question my own business practices, not the other business or the consumer. To me that seems a cheap way out to get business I havent earned.

It's the free market at work and I have zero doubt that Ford will step up its game. Just so happens we have to tell them that being American is not enough, we have to be better, not the same nationality. It is what has pushed our country forward for so long, knowing that someone is always nipping at our heels.

God bless America for always being willing to say, 'how do we get better'. And we consistently do. Free markets are awesome and America excels in them. We build the better mouse trap but first we (the consumer) have to be willing to say the mouse trap isnt good enough...
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By the same token, it's not up to you to create "rules" for what another feels is patriotic.
Wait, what? Are we even having the same conversation?
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I get it, the "God bless America" deal was a little over the top. So sue me, cant get my reaction in person and I'm not good with the types word.
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Oh, C'mon. Dont start that flag waving bull**** saying someone else isnt patriotic because they dont agree with you. That's childish nonsense that belongs in the basement.

Eric is being as patriotic as you. The made in America is definitely a plus, but if they make an inferior product that's on the company, not you to prop them up simply for sharing a certain proximity.

Patriotism of America is based on an ideal, and one of those ideals is a fundamental belief in the free market. If you cant compete, that's on you, not me the consumer.

Just please, please dont make this about a thumping of the chest of who loves this country... I have to assume we all do, and to insulate otherwise is a direct insult to a man's honor, and complete horse ****.
No I don't think so.
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Quick search shows:

There are 2 million people at USA new car retail end of the business.

vs:

There are 225,000 employed at USA assembly plants.

Those numbers do not even consider used car dealerships.
Or the retail auto parts segment.
Or repair shops.
Or car lease/rentals.

etc....
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Let's argue the existence and merits of free markets in a world economy.

It creates trade disadvantages for mature economies (like ours).

And while we're at it, let's just continue to sell off (freely) our best businesses to visitors from certain countries where they can't even own land in their own country....just 99-year leases or whatever. Free market is our ticket to ruin..in that way. Cut 'em off.

And let's do this to the rest of the deals. A taste of their own medicine.
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