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Old 10-20-2018, 03:09 PM   #81
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What Donohue is saying, is while the trailer may be rated for 20K, the SRW truck isn't rated to tow that much.

DOT will sell you a sticker for any amount you want, but if you exceed the GCWR, you can, and usually will be, ticketed for being overweight.

My dually Ram is rated to tow 16K, and has a GVWR of 12,200. That puts a GCWR of just over 28K. And that's a dually. I don't know of any SRW rigs that have a GCWR of 35K.

Pulling is rarely the problem. Controlling sway and stopping is usually a bigger issue.

I personally don't care who does what, I'm just trying to clarify something. And for what it's worth, I've had my Class A Commercial License for over 20 years, with Doubles/Triples, HazMat, and Tank endorsements. So I have slightly more than a passing knowledge of these issues.

There is also a HUGE difference in the type of terrain you are hauling in. I pulled a load, where I was about 27K GCWR with that truck in the picture. My area is extremely rugged. I went up and over a place called, rather ominously, the "Last Chance Grade". It's falling into the ocean as we speak. Goes from sea level to over 1,000' very rapidly. Very rough, narrow road. Burnt the transmission going up, and had no engine braking down the other side. Would not even had been an issue on flat land.
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What Donohue is saying, is while the trailer may be rated for 20K, the SRW truck isn't rated to tow that much.

DOT will sell you a sticker for any amount you want, but if you exceed the GCWR, you can, and usually will be, ticketed for being overweight.

My dually Ram is rated to tow 16K, and has a GVWR of 12,200. That puts a GCWR of just over 28K. And that's a dually. I don't know of any SRW rigs that have a GCWR of 35K.

Pulling is rarely the problem. Controlling sway and stopping is usually a bigger issue.

I personally don't care who does what, I'm just trying to clarify something. And for what it's worth, I've had my Class A Commercial License for over 20 years, with Doubles/Triples, HazMat, and Tank endorsements. So I have slightly more than a passing knowledge of these issues.

There is also a HUGE difference in the type of terrain you are hauling in. I pulled a load, where I was about 27K GCWR with that truck in the picture. My area is extremely rugged. I went up and over a place called, rather ominously, the "Last Chance Grade". It's falling into the ocean as we speak. Goes from sea level to over 1,000' very rapidly. Very rough, narrow road. Burnt the transmission going up, and had no engine braking down the other side. Would not even had been an issue on flat land.
Plus you always bust payload before towing or GCWR.

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I canít be the only one here that has a tandem dual flatbed trailer rated at 20k that uses it to its full potential.

I never said I donít hire truckers, because I do use them, but if itís not too far, and there arenít big hills to go down Iíll haul equipment myself. So if youíre ever around Jefferson County Montana, watch out, because I might be breaking the law! Jk

I upgraded trucks this year, and I looked at a bunch of duallys because they usually are cheaper. But I was able to find a srw which is what I prefer. I only drive it half the time, whenever I gotta pull a trailer, usually I just drive a 1/2 ton Chevy, and I always hate reaching over the bed rails for tools or whatever after using the flatbed.


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Dude, youíve got to learn math. If that is the truck your pulling your 20k trailer with there is no way you are legal. If you use 12% tongue weight on 20k thatís 2400 lbs. there is no way your 2500 crew cab with steel flatbed has got that kind of payload without going over axle ratings. I just canít believe it. And if you use the more normal 15%-20% tongue weight for a gooseneck you are 3000-4000 lbs tongue weight.
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Yup, FG4X4 the finance guy offered me a rate .85 percent higher than the website...then argued with me that the website was out of date by over a year. I then pointed out the fine print that said "Offer valid until Dec 2018". He then told me he would get back to me later because there was "too many parts to this problem"....that was a week ago.





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Dude, youíve got to learn math. If that is the truck your pulling your 20k trailer with there is no way you are legal. If you use 12% tongue weight on 20k thatís 2400 lbs. there is no way your 2500 crew cab with steel flatbed has got that kind of payload without going over axle ratings. I just canít believe it. And if you use the more normal 15%-20% tongue weight for a gooseneck you are 3000-4000 lbs tongue weight.
I would rather have the weight over my axle then 5 feet behind it.

Only thing worse than too much is not enough, I had to stop and find someone to move this 13k pound planer a few feet forward, the amish loaded it there and then disappeared.

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Dude, youíve got to learn math. If that is the truck your pulling your 20k trailer with there is no way you are legal. If you use 12% tongue weight on 20k thatís 2400 lbs. there is no way your 2500 crew cab with steel flatbed has got that kind of payload without going over axle ratings. I just canít believe it. And if you use the more normal 15%-20% tongue weight for a gooseneck you are 3000-4000 lbs tongue weight.


I know math, pretty good at it, I am a carpenter after all.

I have stated that I drive illegally by being overweight. Guilty as charged.

But dude, you need to learn to read, you would have known this info if you read this thread.


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I used to tow on a pretty regular basis about 20k lbs of cypress in my dually from North Florida down here, bout a 4 HR drive. I couldn't imagine another 15k on it. When I did it with the international, the difference was night and day as to how easily I controlled the trailer.



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No ****ing way I'd tow 35k on a SRW and I am pretty well known for doing dumb ****.


Hey you gotta risk it to get the biscuit!

But what youíre doing there is similar to what Iíve done. Youíre 20k in lumber weighs more than my backhoe which is 17k, my gradall is 20,200 if I remember right with the foam filled tires. So I was weighed at 35.5k total.


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Shame, shame, shame...
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I just didn't like how you said dually are not needed and all you need is a srw truck to do everything
dont say how srw is the best when it's not

if you want to tow 35k with your srw, go ahead
but dont give someone advice that you dont need a drw and they suck

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I never realized thatís SRW vs DRW was such a hit topic.

Almost as polarizing as mesh vs paper tape
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I just didn't like how you said dually are not needed and all you need is a srw truck to do everything
dont say how srw is the best when it's not

if you want to tow 35k with your srw, go ahead
but dont give someone advice that you dont need a drw and they suck

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Itís all preference, I donít like them because I believe they get stuck easier, which is a deal breaker for me.

SRW rule and duallys drool!!!!


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Itís all preference, I donít like them because I believe they get stuck easier, which is a deal breaker for me.

SRW rule and duallys drool!!!!


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I've had both, the 2WD DRW wasn't really that bad in the snow compared to a SRW, but you can't beat 4WD. If you ever try towing with both you will never go back to SRW.

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found this near me

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looks like a pretty good deal, I might have to go look at it

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Probably 7-8 miles a gallon. At first I thought it was the 6.4 and thought you might have lost your mind.
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found this near me

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looks like a pretty good deal, I might have to go look at it

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I figured you were a ford guy haha


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51 Carpenter: I'd look long and hard at an older day cab class 8 Semi-tractor, Much cheaper then a sue fest for an at fault accident.... Maybe time share one with another Sub/Farmer/rancher?

Especially after admitting to regularly flouting the safety regs. regarding GVRs on a popular Website.

You might want see if your policy covers pre-meditated violations ?

Do you force your employees to ride on the overloaded trips?

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