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Old 01-30-2019, 04:18 PM   #1
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Seems appropriate, right?

Guys who have built your own garage/shop...

What did you do right?

What would you change if you did it again?

I've got 40x40 concrete pad with an ok from the town to build basically as big as I want. I'm not sure what I want though.
If I had to guess, I'd assume I want a two-bay with roll up doors and high ceilings(16'?)
I'd also assume I'd be parking a van in one of the bays and using the other as a workshop.

What are the challenges with keeping a space like that heated? Doesn't have to be hot. Just looking for somewhere that my paint and glue won't freeze.

Any online resources that are solid for garages/shops that you want to plug?

I haven't lived in a house with a garage since 1991.
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:39 PM   #2
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Probably depends no how much you want to spend. If you build 40x40 with a 16 foot ceiling, that is alot of space for a guy that doesn't have a garage now.
With that much space, you could build a room in a back corner with a loft over it . Is it too late for plumbing? I have a 3/4 bath and a kitchenette in mine.

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Seems appropriate, right?

Guys who have built your own garage/shop...

What did you do right?

What would you change if you did it again?

I've got 40x40 concrete pad with an ok from the town to build basically as big as I want. I'm not sure what I want though.
If I had to guess, I'd assume I want a two-bay with roll up doors and high ceilings(16'?)
I'd also assume I'd be parking a van in one of the bays and using the other as a workshop.

What are the challenges with keeping a space like that heated? Doesn't have to be hot. Just looking for somewhere that my paint and glue won't freeze.

Any online resources that are solid for garages/shops that you want to plug?

I haven't lived in a house with a garage since 1991.
I have a large shop with a radiant tube heater for the main area.
There are 3 smaller rooms that are well insulated and have baseboard electric heat. One of those rooms is a spray booth that I keep my cold sensitive materials in. Keep the heater set on low and it's plenty warm for storage, turn it up if I'm going to be in there for a while.
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Just finished my attached garage last year. 26 x 52 with the shop half heated with radiant heat via pex in the slab. It is amazing!!
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Just finished my attached garage last year. 26 x 52 with the shop half heated with radiant heat via pex in the slab. It is amazing!!
how do you heat the tubing?
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how do you heat the tubing?

Standard 40 gallon hot water heater.
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Easy:

Obviously, your best bet for construction of that will be pole barn style. I would set up one portion with a taller door, but probably just a 9 or 10 footer, unless you know you are gonna need bigger. Since you already have the slab, the slab heat is a no go, but I would opt for either a commercial Reznor, or maybe a couple of those Mitsubishi in the wall deals.
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16' ceilings may be overkill for most use, but it is great for a loft level, or a vehicle lift. I built a loft in mine and have essentially 100% of my storage up there, so the ground entire floor is free to rearrange for projects as needed.

If I had to build from scratch, I would stick frame instead of pole, just for ease of insulating with normal methods. If I had enough space for main floor square footage, I'd just do a 12' ceiling and no loft.

My previous shop had radiant heat, and yes, it is awesome. In Fairbanks, Alaska on a -40 day, I could open and then close the overhead door and be comfortable in my t-shirt after 1 minute.
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Natural gas infrared tube. I know some guys who have them in their hangers and swear by them.


https://sunstarheaters.com/tube-heaters/

https://www.anthonyphc.com/blog/perk...garage-heater/
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Good explanation of them.

http://www.infraredinfo.com/Article_1.html
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while you are building it the thought will cross your mind that ....

"why does this dam thing have to so big".....

about a year later you will wish it was bigger....
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If I was building new, I would love to go with radiant floors.

Have to be careful whats directly under a radiant tube heater. I had to move mine over so I could park my trailer in there.
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If you go Pole Barn style, watch some RR buildings videos on youtube. He has some efficient methods for insulating.
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Seems appropriate, right?

Guys who have built your own garage/shop...

What did you do right?

What would you change if you did it again?

I've got 40x40 concrete pad with an ok from the town to build basically as big as I want. I'm not sure what I want though.
If I had to guess, I'd assume I want a two-bay with roll up doors and high ceilings(16'?)
I'd also assume I'd be parking a van in one of the bays and using the other as a workshop.

What are the challenges with keeping a space like that heated? Doesn't have to be hot. Just looking for somewhere that my paint and glue won't freeze.

Any online resources that are solid for garages/shops that you want to plug?

I haven't lived in a house with a garage since 1991.
You have to define what you're going to use the space for before designing the rest... that may end up becoming a project done in phases while you define it... a spot for the van is wasted real estate unless you're going to use that area also as a load/unload area for deliveries...

The first shop we moved into decades ago, I literally had a used Craftsman table saw that was from the 60's that I bought (off a customer who was looking to get rid of it) sitting in the front of a 1500sf shop... that was it... tools on the floor... thought we had all the room we would ever need...

But we outgrew it in a year and half... and did two more moves to after that to larger shops... so something to keep in mind...

It sounds like you're limited to 40' x 40' footprint so the higher you go (or plan to go), you can add office, bathroom, etc. at a later date as needed... Wasn't clear if this was at your home or not...
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Just finished my attached garage last year. 26 x 52 with the shop half heated with radiant heat via pex in the slab. It is amazing!!
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Standard 40 gallon hot water heater.
I'm intrigued by this. Wife's been after me for a few years now to build a shop/storage place and get my stuff out of the house. A warm floor would be awesome.

How well does it cope with an extended run of, oh, 15-20° weather, and what's your usual temperature setting? Have any numbers on that water heater's duty cycle and/or cost to operate for a season?
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Easy’s plan may turn to dust when he figures property tax increase for a heated 2 story 40 x 40 garage mahal
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I'm intrigued by this. Wife's been after me for a few years now to build a shop/storage place and get my stuff out of the house. A warm floor would be awesome.



How well does it cope with an extended run of, oh, 15-20° weather, and what's your usual temperature setting? Have any numbers on that water heater's duty cycle and/or cost to operate for a season?


Alot of guys on the garage forum have this....they swear by the comfort of radiant heat.

Once the slab is warm you have alot of heat mass plus there is no blowing air or noisy furnaces


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Alot of guys on the garage forum have this....they swear by the comfort of radiant heat.

Once the slab is warm you have alot of heat mass plus there is no blowing air or noisy furnaces


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I'm intrigued by this. Wife's been after me for a few years now to build a shop/storage place and get my stuff out of the house. A warm floor would be awesome.

How well does it cope with an extended run of, oh, 15-20° weather, and what's your usual temperature setting? Have any numbers on that water heater's duty cycle and/or cost to operate for a season?
This being my first Winter, I can only guess. Decembers bill was about $25 higher, but you would have to factor in avg daily temps, gas prices, etc. I am heating about 700 sq feet. They did 4 runs of tubing with each run being within 12" of each other. As for now, I just control the temp via the water heater, which is a about 2 tics above the lowest setting. I will eventually wire it to a thermostat, but in the meantime it felt like about 65 degrees out there yesterday, when the outside air was zero.
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Interesting idea in tbat radiant heat. How are you circulating the water?

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