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Old 01-05-2020, 08:57 PM   #61
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There was no permission made. You made a statement not a question. In the opening my statement I made a statement about your statement.
If it were up to me I would put china out of business.
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There are no different manufacture specs for the same tools. That is true. But they deceive. ABC12345 tool is sold from a reputable tool store for $100 and the look alike tool ABC12345a tool is sold at the home store for $85 and has more plastic parts in it. But on the exterior looks identical.
Obviously I don't know every single tool of every single manufacturer, but I haven't seen a real example of this in the past 20 years from the big three. There are different tools that do the same thing but look similar, like a brushed and brushless version but they aren't selling two versions of the same tool under the same model number or even the same shell for different stores.
Can you show an example of this actually happening with Makita/Dewalt/Milwaukee?
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Obviously I don't know every single tool of every single manufacturer, but I haven't seen a real example of this in the past 20 years from the big three. There are different tools that do the same thing but look similar, like a brushed and brushless version but they aren't selling two versions of the same tool under the same model number or even the same shell for different stores.
Can you show an example of this actually happening with Makita/Dewalt/Milwaukee?
Hitachi coil gun ,,Recalled if bought at HomeDepot but not if bought from lumber yards. It was the door that let the coil open up to reload. It was cheapened to plastic and popping open and nail would fly back at operators face. I had one. It's not just tools, it's plumbing fixtures too. If you don't think this is a thing you are naive.
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You are free to think anyway you want to. TTI is a chinese owned company and when I support a chinese owned company I in my little mind am supporting the chinese way of life and the chinese way of some of the lowest human right on earth. I will not support them anymore. I did in the past because it wasn't as clear to me as it is now.
Quite a few Makita tools are made in China...

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Quite a few Makita tools are made in China...

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Not chinese owned!!!! There is a difference. Makita had been putting tools out of Bufrod Ga. for over 25 years.
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Don't be silly......big box are totally lesser in some shape or form.

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As Leo says, if it's different, it has a different model number. If nothing else, imagine what a nightmare parts & service would be if they weren't differentiated.
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Obviously I don't know every single tool of every single manufacturer, but I haven't seen a real example of this in the past 20 years from the big three. There are different tools that do the same thing but look similar, like a brushed and brushless version but they aren't selling two versions of the same tool under the same model number or even the same shell for different stores.
Can you show an example of this actually happening with Makita/Dewalt/Milwaukee?
I bought a DeWalt miter saw at HD and later bought an LED shadow line light for that model, but the HD revision was not compatible with the light. Way too many versions, this is what the LED light said:

Designed exclusively for use on the DW713: Type 1, DW715: Type 1 & 2, DW716: Types 1 -4, DW717: All Types, and DW718: All Types.
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I'm recommitting to 240 Volt AC powered tools as much MORE productive then any current battery system....

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240 VAC (3 phase?) tools are the future of production workers, lighter cords, light motors , no starter needed on 3 Phase motors, already in production in the EU....
These already exist where needed - floor grinding and sanding, concrete cutting, etc. But most light construction tasks are most efficient with 200-2000 watts of output, which is conveniently available now.
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Don't be silly......big box are totally lesser in some shape or form.

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I am in total agreement the best example are plumbing fixtures the price difference from the box to a real supply house $300.00 easy.

Thanks to the rise of HGTV and others and the loss of real builders yards etc, we are all doomed to buy tools designed to sell at a price point.

Then the other problem the box stores do sell tools contractors need, have you ever seen stucco horses, drywall stilts ?.

We are confined to look for tools on the net I have a real tool store but its a hour away at 75 MPH, but I know I can buy a 6 foot level and a CASE to protect it.
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Hitachi coil gun ,,Recalled if bought at HomeDepot but not if bought from lumber yards. It was the door that let the coil open up to reload. It was cheapened to plastic and popping open and nail would fly back at operators face. I had one. It's not just tools, it's plumbing fixtures too. If you don't think this is a thing you are naive.
Ok, good to know on that one. Do you know if it had a different model number?

As far as plumbing fixtures, yeah that's totally a thing and why I never buy any from the box stores. The plastic bits only last a year while the real ones that cost more at the supply house will last, but also operate more smoothly.

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I bought a DeWalt miter saw at HD and later bought an LED shadow line light for that model, but the HD revision was not compatible with the light. Way too many versions, this is what the LED light said:

Designed exclusively for use on the DW713: Type 1, DW715: Type 1 & 2, DW716: Types 1 -4, DW717: All Types, and DW718: All Types.
Yeah, I guess whoever mentioned the slight variations in model number was right...and I'll make sure to double check that from now on, but I'd be really surprised to see the same model number Makita Impact have different parts inside it.
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Ok, good to know on that one. Do you know if it had a different model number?

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No I don't. I really don't know model #s in my head and just buy by the tool.
I also had bought a Hitachi staple guy to do some soffit and it didn't last one big job. That was very out of the ordinary for a Hitachi gun, it was bought from HomeDepot,,I brought it back.

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Not chinese owned!!!! There is a difference. Makita had been putting tools out of Bufrod Ga. for over 25 years.
Ah ok... is Japan better than China? Last I heard they bombed pearl harbor.

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Ah ok... is Japan better than China? Last I heard they bombed pearl harbor.

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Man you are so lost.. Check the human rights in Japan and compare with china. Japan is a free country unlike china. Japan is our ally. china is not a ally and more like a enemy. Most of our money here comes from Japan,.
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I thought this thread was about cordless tools, not cognitive dissonance and rationalization.
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Aren't most of the tools made in China? All the Milwaukee's I have touched in recent years are.

Makita and Milwaukee is owned by the same company

DeWalt is Black &Decker. Black and Decker is DeWalt. They then bought out Delta and Porter Cable. Power matic. Which I think Power matic was spun back off in recent years...and Stanley bought Black and Decker. Check out the production line tools brands and world market brands that Stanley holds in tools.

They own Irwin..and their brands. Lenox I believe was spun off in the last six months or so..

I think DeWalt markets "Made in USA"

Stanley is a monster....

And Bosch Skill isn't made in Germany...


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You are free to think anyway you want to. TTI is a chinese owned company and when I support a chinese owned company I in my little mind am supporting the chinese way of life and the chinese way of some of the lowest human right on earth. I will not support them anymore. I did in the past because it wasn't as clear to me as it is now.
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Aren't most of the tools made in China? All the Milwaukee's I have touched in recent years are.

Makita and Milwaukee is owned by the same company

DeWalt is Black &Decker. Black and Decker is DeWalt. They then bought out Delta and Porter Cable. Power matic. Which I think Power matic was spun back off in recent years...and Stanley bought Black and Decker. Check out the production line tools brands and world market brands that Stanley holds in tools.

They own Irwin..and their brands. Lenox I believe was spun off in the last six months or so..

I think DeWalt markets "Made in USA"

Stanley is a monster....

And Bosch Skill isn't made in Germany...
NO! Makita is owned by Makita. Bosch no longer owns Skil. Skil is now owned by the chinese company that was making them. Chervon is the name. Chervon makes tools for many companies.
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I was wrong about that and you are correct.

It looks like Makita makes many tools here in the US. And they have the largest research and development facility outside of Japan is here in the US.


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Aren't most of the tools made in China? All the Milwaukee's I have touched in recent years are.

Makita and Milwaukee is owned by the same company

DeWalt is Black &Decker. Black and Decker is DeWalt. They then bought out Delta and Porter Cable. Power matic. Which I think Power matic was spun back off in recent years...and Stanley bought Black and Decker. Check out the production line tools brands and world market brands that Stanley holds in tools.

They own Irwin..and their brands. Lenox I believe was spun off in the last six months or so..

I think DeWalt markets "Made in USA"

Stanley is a monster....

And Bosch Skill isn't made in Germany...
NO! Makita is owned by Makita. Bosch no longer owns Skil. Skil is now owned by the chinese company that was making them. Chervon is the name. Chervon makes tools for many companies.[/QUOTE]
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Man you are so lost.. Check the human rights in Japan and compare with china. Japan is a free country unlike china. Japan is our ally. china is not a ally and more like a enemy. Most of our money here comes from Japan,.
And a mere 79 years ago US and China fought side by side against the Japanese...
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