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Old 12-16-2014, 09:32 AM   #61
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I think its more of a heart warming thing to see an employee who cares enough about his trade to invest in it.

I don't purchase roofing nail guns are the hoses for their guns (I do have multiple hoses that get used though). When I did buy the guns at $200-300 a piece, it was surprising how quickly that added up and how much I ended up replacing them. Then one year I thought to myself "a roofing gun is the most important tool for a roofer to use these days, anyone serious about the trade will have their own."

I was right. It was no problem finding guys with their own guns. Turns out its expected around here.

Everything else I own multiples of but still seems like the guys prefer their own drills when needed.

sounds like you treat your employees like subcontractors. do you 1099 them too?
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Old 12-16-2014, 09:47 AM   #62
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From an employers standpoint. It's all about attitude and how a perspective employee will fit in. Tools or no tools.
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sounds like you treat your employees like subcontractors. do you 1099 them too?
Lol yep.

They're all 1099. Expected to wear company uniforms, do exactly as I say and do jobs how I want it.

Its been pretty fascinating to know I went from spending 1k a year to replace roofing guns to the same guys having the same gun for years now since they have a financial tie to it.

Edit - I should add since I started making it a requirement for new employees, I've found much better guys. Kind of strange. At least I dont make them all purchase their own compressor, ladders, trailers, miscellaneous items, trucks, insurance, work comp, safety gear, walk planks, aluminum breaks, table saws, circular saws, miter saws and the rest. You got me thinking though that might not be a bad idea. Thanks!

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Old 12-16-2014, 11:23 AM   #64
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Lol yep.

They're all 1099. Expected to wear company uniforms, do exactly as I say and do jobs how I want it.

Its been pretty fascinating to know I went from spending 1k a year to replace roofing guns to the same guys having the same gun for years now since they have a financial tie to it.

Edit - I should add since I started making it a requirement for new employees, I've found much better guys. Kind of strange. At least I dont make them all purchase their own compressor, ladders, trailers, miscellaneous items, trucks, insurance, work comp, safety gear, walk planks, aluminum breaks, table saws, circular saws, miter saws and the rest. You got me thinking though that might not be a bad idea. Thanks!
if they're all 1099 that means they do need their own insurance. you sound like a really nice guy.
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if they're all 1099 that means they do need their own insurance. you sound like a really nice guy.
Yes because I was serious. You sound very bitter towards employers.
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Yes because I was serious. You sound very bitter towards employers.
I've loved every job I've ever had and am a loyal company man. I'm just very bitter towards anyone who tries to take advantage of anyone else. whether it's a contractor, homeowner, co-worker, whatever.
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It's not nearly as black and white as some seem to think it is. IMO, it all depends on the quality and /or type of work you are doing. For example, most skil saws are the same, and in the same price range. The employer should supply these. I do mostly cabinet installs with lots of pre finished mouldings and such. The skil saw won't cut it and neither will the $299 DeWalt 10" chop saw. I prefer to use my Kapex and other assorted Festools for the task. MY work quality is on the line, and I will do what it takes to make MY work as perfect as it can be. I can't expect my employer to drop $1400 on a saw plus many thousands more because I like the best quality tools. Company buys consumables and pays for repairs when required. BUT, only I use my tools.

Sure the tools help me to be better, faster, and more efficient with my time during the course of the day. Sure this benefits my employer (and technically hurts me since I do get paid hourly), but it also means that we as a company can be more competitive in the market. This translates to the possibility of much more future work and gainful employment.

Everyone needs to remember that the employer is not a cash cow. They need to make money to keep the lights on. When times are good no one cares about that because the work is plentiful, but when times get tough it might be the difference between remaining employed or looking for work.
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Yes because I was serious. You sound very bitter towards employers.
To the young guns who think the boss is taking advantage of them. Do you ever consider the value of the knowledge that they are giving you. I started as a kid carrying lumber for minimum wage. I had little in the way of skils or knowledge. My first boss gave me the opportunity to create my own future with the skils he taught me. Him and a few other very smart men that I have had the priviledge to work under over the years have made me a success in life. After 28 years in business and many hardships along the way I have got to the point where life is easier. I now am the one giving the gift of knowledge to young people. Depending on how hard they want to work, they can become whatever they want. I will teach any employee anything I know. These opportunities in life are few and far between. A good attitude goes a long way and anyone with a bad attitude will not get knowledge from me or anyone else. If the boss doesn't recognize your extra efforts with a raise when you deserve it, you might want to look for a new job and a new boss. Even better, start your own company, struggle to pay the bills for ten years, lose money on a few jobs, then if you are even still in business, come back and let us know how things are going. Be a sponge and learn everything you can. Go the extra mile. Pay me more and I will work harder never gets you anything. Put in the extra effort and you will be rewarded.
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I prefer t bring my own tools. Everything that fits in my truck. Im the odd one but it works for me. The tools are all in good shape, I know where they are and I get well paid because the work goes much smoother for me and the contractor. This is for non Union jobs.

I carry more tools in my old truck then most gc's own for a crew. The current one I'm working for right now knows when I show up, I have the tools to do whatever job we are doing that day. One less thing he needs to worry about. More time for him to bid more high profit jobs.

When I work Union, then only hand tools. Gc provides everything .
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Hell, I just bought a cargo trailer and loaded it with all my tools for bringing to work. It's as well stocked as either of the other trailers on our site. I'm not required to bring any more than my basic hand tools. If any of my tools break my employer offers to fix it before I even have to ask.

I don't think an employer should ever require tools beyond what's expected to be in a tool pouch. On the flip side, it would seem that only disgruntled employees would have a problem offering their tools when needed. Employees and employers need to treat such as a partnership. When the boss is making money, the employer's making money. If the boss or employee is an asshole about it, it's probably time for the employee to find a new job.
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My crews supply their bags, skilsaws, and most have their own framing nailers. I supply compressors, miter saws, beam saws, big foots, impacts, 1/2" drills, rotohammers and all consumables. Almost every one of my guys do their own work on the side hence them having quite a few of their own tools. But if a tool ever breaks down, I pick up the tab and give them a loaner or buy a new tool for them.
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When I was I maybe 20? The builder I worked as a trim carpenter required us to have our own levels circ saw drills bags and hand tools.most guys had there own trim guns to. I supply pretty much everything for my 2 guys.but I do push them to build up a good tool collection of there own.
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I have only one employee---so my way is not likely to apply to most of you---

I buy all of his tools--rulers included---and pay for tires and such for his truck---

When I give him a tool I ask him to 'put your name on it'--they are his to keep--

He's been with me for 11 years now---he wears out tools on a regular basis---he fears that the tools will be stolen from his truck---I must take that risk--crap happens--


Unique situation---He needs a full compliment of tools and supplies on his truck--He frequently works one job while I sell or start another one---

I figure if I die--he is set up to go off on his own--after he digs a hole for me---

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