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Old 01-27-2016, 01:25 PM   #1
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Thinking About A Domino


I have been really frustrated with my biscuit jointer. After reading some on this site and online I have been looking at a Domino but it is a substantial investment by the time I buy the tool and a set of the dominos to get started. I see that they have basically two models. Which one do I want? I assume I will use it mainly for the same applications I use my plate jointer for ( aligning glue ups for panels, trim, etc.) What are some of the advantages (besides its a Festool) that you guys have seen in going the domino route? Thanks
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Old 01-27-2016, 01:42 PM   #2
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If you're replacing a biscuit joiner the DF500 will be plenty. It's the smaller one.

Advantages: It's more than just alignment, they actually add strength.

Disadvantage: Cost and you have to use a vacuum (can't just deal with the chips for a quick mortise, it'll mess up the cutter)

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If you're replacing a biscuit joiner the DF500 will be plenty. It's the smaller one.

Advantages: It's more than just alignment, they actually add strength.

Disadvantage: Cost and you have to use a vacuum (can't just deal with the chips for a quick mortise, it'll mess up the cutter)
Do I have to buy Festools vac of can I use any shop vac? Would be nice to be able to use what I have for a while. cost wise.
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For the Domino you could use a standard shop vac hooked to an automatic switch.
That's just opinion though, other members may have different advice.
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Any shop vac will work fine. Clearly it is more convenient to have it come on automatically but that can be accomplished with an ivac. www.ivacswitch.com

If you are using a non Festool vac, the Bosch VAC005 hose is an easy/cheap way to get a 16' hose with the correct end to fit tightly on the domino.

The end doesn't look like the pic, it looks just like the end on a 27mm Festool hose, just not quite as nice rubber quality: http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-VAC005-5...eywords=vac005
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I have been really frustrated with my biscuit jointer. After reading some on this site and online I have been looking at a Domino but it is a substantial investment by the time I buy the tool and a set of the dominos to get started. I see that they have basically two models. Which one do I want? I assume I will use it mainly for the same applications I use my plate jointer for ( aligning glue ups for panels, trim, etc.) What are some of the advantages (besides its a Festool) that you guys have seen in going the domino route? Thanks
Is the problem the biscuit joiner or the biscuits? The makita biscuit joiner is very nice and accurate. Switch to lamello biscuits much more consistent.
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For the stuff I use it for I'd just as well have a biscuit joiner.

But theres usually a couple times a month it really shines. I had to join a section of handrail together. I scarfed it and put 2 domino's in, fit was very good. Saved time vs installing a zip bolt.

I also had to join 3 4x4's intersecting with each other. Very fast/easy/strong.

If I ever have to install continuous 1 1/2" round handrail again this thing will be a godsend.
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What brand biscuit jointer are you using?
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I have a dewalt. I've had it for awhile
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Get a Lamello. Night and day.
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Thinking I'll need to get the Domino XL DF 700. I only have one door to make but it's a 12'-6" x 18'-6" sliding "barn" door. I've only approached two custom door shops but one wasn't interested and the other was saying it would be $4500 +.

I could just bolt it together (how such a door is normally made, I'm guessing) but I'd like for it to have a more finished appearance. The Domino system looks like the obvious choice.

If shop built, it would be a trick to transport as a rack would have to be built to transport it on a trailer. On an 8' wide trailer, it would be almost 10' at 50 degrees angle.
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If you do a lot of custom trim carpentry you'll wonder what you ever did with out it. If you don't do a lot you'll wonder why you wasted the money on it.

For the first year I was in business it would have been useless to me. After I got heavy into custom carpentry it's been very valuable.
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Thinking I'll need to get the Domino XL DF 700. I only have one door to make but it's a 12'-6" x 18'-6" sliding "barn" door. I've only approached two custom door shops but one wasn't interested and the other was saying it would be $4500 +.

I could just bolt it together (how such a door is normally made, I'm guessing) but I'd like for it to have a more finished appearance. The Domino system looks like the obvious choice.

If shop built, it would be a trick to transport as a rack would have to be built to transport it on a trailer. On an 8' wide trailer, it would be almost 10' at 50 degrees angle.
Thats the beauty of a domino, get it right in the shop, disassemble and put back together onsite. Dominoes can be used to make a snug fit and reworked into perfection as long as they're not glued.

Maybe I'm the only one but I've used mine a bunch without a vac when I didn't feel like grabbing it for 2 or 3 joints. Cutter is fine. I wouldn't make a habit of it but it still works.

Fein makes a good vac for it for much cheaper without a hepa filter for like $200. I think its the turbo II.
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I have used my domino on Pergolas, decks, doors, stairs, cabinets and numerous other random bits here and there. I even used it on my Kreg foreman to make holes for brackets.
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Went to order the XL DF 700 from Bob Marino but it is backordered. I decided to spring for the CT 36 autoclean unless someone talks me out of it.
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Went to order the XL DF 700 from Bob Marino but it is backordered. I decided to spring for the CT 36 autoclean unless someone talks me out of it.

What you using the AC vac for?
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What you using the AC vac for?
Primarily (maybe even exclusively) for the said XL DF 700.

Why?
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Primarily (maybe even exclusively) for the said XL DF 700.



Why?

I wouldn't get the AC then unless you think you will be using it in drywall and concrete. AC is no good for sawdust.
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I have a dewalt. I've had it for awhile
The DeWalt has 2 notorious problems. It cuts cocked slots because the fence isn't parallel to the cutter and the slots are too tight. There is no fix for the fence but you can make the slots looser. Pull the cutter and put a small piece of a feeler gauge between the blade and the arbor washer and crank it all back down. The feeler gauge shims introduces runout to the cutter and it loosens the slots up like a wobble dado.

A lot of the problems with biscuit machines are user error. When you line up on the cut mark lean the tool back by the handle, line up to the mark and pivot the tool so the fence hits the work. The other problem in trim work is the fence diving into a back relief causing the tool to cut cocked slots or inadequate support for the fence on a miter. The attached pic is one of the supports I use for casing. It solves both problems.

For the tasks you mentioned I grab a biscuit joiner instead of a Domino. The Domino has use in trim but a biscuit machine will usually be faster and just as accurate. For panel alignment the Domino is slower, the consumables are more expensive, and the fit of the fastener is tighter requiring more time to put parts together. If I had to own one or the other only I'd only own a biscuit joiner.

Buy a different joiner and check it with calipers when you get it. Like Aaron said, switch to Lamello biscuits instead of the ones purchased at a box store.
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I wouldn't get the AC then unless you think you will be using it in drywall and concrete. AC is no good for sawdust.
Good to know. Next question. CT 36 or 48?

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