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Old 04-15-2015, 07:42 AM   #1
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Stair Gauge Shape


I have wondered for years (and still do), why no one has come out with ROUND stair gauges. They are all hexagonal, aside from the blade-type Starretts. Often, when you reach the end of a board, the last mark requires flipping the square to get the mark lined up. At times, merely dropping the square BELOW the board will line it up, but, as the gauges are hexagonal, the contact points will not be EXACTLY the same as they were above the board. Does anyone know WHY the inventors chose to make them only hexagonal? I cannot see any advantage at all over round.


While on a stair gauge tangent, I also don't agree with the way most folks mount them. When using gauges, I always hold my square firmly to the stock at the desired pitch, then slide the gauges tight against the square and tighten them. If you place the gauges at the desired pitch FIRST, the reading will NOT be exact. If you don't believe me, try it yourself. It won't be off a lot, but it will not be perfect.
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Old 04-15-2015, 07:45 AM   #2
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Lee Valley makes round ones
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Old 04-15-2015, 08:41 AM   #4
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That's good to know. First I've seen. I even contemplated making a set out of 3/4" brass.

It's funny how things like that are. "They've always made them that way..." Never questioning WHY...and possibly dramatically improving a useful product.
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Because round stuff rolls away....
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The only thing I can say about the hex gauges is on lumber with an eased edge, it's a little hard to see where the gauge is touching the edge, and the hex provides a straight line to align with your previous pencil mark, even though the angle is usually off a little.
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Even better would be a floating hex. That way you get the best of both.
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I have a dedicated square for stairs. It's clamped between two 2x2's that slide on the edge of the stringer. Works great and impossible for it to disappear. Lol


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I have a dedicated square for stairs. It's clamped between two 2x2's that slide on the edge of the stringer. Works great and impossible for it to disappear. Lol


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I have not used hex gauges since buying my round ones. Yes, they are superior in just about every way. "Roof Framing" by Marshall Gross has a nice little explanation on the advantages of round gauges to hex gauges.

Here's the link to the round ones:

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/pag...=1,42936,42944
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The guys who can cut stairs, without screwing up a bunch of material, who are few and far between, don't care what, if any, kind of gauge there is available.

One of the finest staircutters I have ever seen did not use a framing square.

He knew how to use one as he was a master roof cutter also.
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I made this. Works great and took me about 10 minutes to make.
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I made this. Works great and took me about 10 minutes to make.
that's pretty cool
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I have a dedicated square for stairs. It's clamped between two 2x2's that slide on the edge of the stringer. Works great and impossible for it to disappear. Lol
Yep. I keep lot of gauges everywhere because you know as soon as you want them, you won't be able to find them, or you loose one...
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I use these. For rafters tooAttachment 168234
I have never laid hands on a set of those, but it seems if you needed to swap sides of the board, those would be farther off than the hex gauges. Am I correct?
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The guys who can cut stairs, without screwing up a bunch of material, who are few and far between, don't care what, if any, kind of gauge there is available.

One of the finest staircutters I have ever seen did not use a framing square.

He knew how to use one as he was a master roof cutter also.
OK, now you have to say how he did it
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The guys who can cut stairs, without screwing up a bunch of material, who are few and far between, don't care what, if any, kind of gauge there is available.

One of the finest staircutters I have ever seen did not use a framing square.

He knew how to use one as he was a master roof cutter also.
I have to agree.I don't do a lot of stairs but have never owned a set of stair gauges until a few year ago.Maybe old school or behind the times but they do make life a little easrier.I have done a few sets where gauges would be pretty much useless.
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The guys who can cut stairs, without screwing up a bunch of material, who are few and far between, don't care what, if any, kind of gauge there is available.

One of the finest staircutters I have ever seen did not use a framing square.

He knew how to use one as he was a master roof cutter also.
If he did not use a framing square, what use would gauges be to him anyway?
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If he did not use a framing square, what use would gauges be to him anyway?
I don't even know him but still found that funny for some reason.

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