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Old 04-11-2019, 11:23 AM   #21
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I have a 20 foot heavy aluminum extension ladder from the late 70's or early 80's which we've been using since then no problem. All the rungs and everything seem perfect except the bolts which aren't aluminum of course are rusty so I want to replace the bolts.

I emailed Werner and said something like 'hi I don't have the exact model # but what type/grade bolts do you suggest', - they gave me a "The bolts are not to be replaced. Take the ladder out of service." i.e buy another ladder from them.

or i.e. they care about the safety of people using your ladder



I don't see what the problem would be granted the bolts fit snugly through the holes with minimal rattle. It's basically just one nylon lock nut and one bolt per Rung Lock which is where all the weight is riding on, and then a nut and bolt on each of the clawed/hinging feet which I often use.


I wouldn't use a full threaded bolt, I'd use threading only on the end so the weight of ladder isn't resting on threaded section.

I know stainless is very rust proof but not very strong unless you spend like $10 per bolt for stronger grade. Hot Dipped Galv also very rust proof but not very strong, usually grade 2. So I'm thinking to use grade 8 yellow zinc, these are probably 1/4" bolts. Sounds good?

I don't know why I may be overthinking this but just asking anyway. I mean the ladder is rated for like 375 pounds, I'm about 180 max with tools/material, and even the weakest grade 2 HDGalv 1/4" bolt would hold thousands of pounds but I just want to make sure I replace them with the best option. a new ladder is the best option
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Old 04-11-2019, 12:53 PM   #22
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Re: Replace Extension Ladder Bolts?


you sure that's an osha violation to replace a ladder bolt with one of equal or greater strength and corrosion resistance?
It's not a case of neglect, the bolts I'll be using exceeds OEM/osha ladder specs.
Of course the internet forum answer is 'replace the ladder', but I'm just going to replace the bolts.


It's like saying you can't replace a car's wheel studs with aftermarket having equal or greater specs, or to replace the rope of an extension ladder.


At least the info is out there now if someone searches to replace ladder bolts that we've pointed out to use the proper Shoulder bolts and also grade 8 zinc would be extremely strong and corrosion resistant (as would grade 5 silver zinc), don't use the grade 2 bolts usually in the bins at box stores.
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It's like saying you can't replace a car's wheel studs with aftermarket having equal or greater specs, or to replace the rope of an extension ladder.
No. It's like saying YOU don't know the first thing about OSHA.

And its a **** ing 200 dollar ladder. ffs

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you sure that's an osha violation to replace a ladder bolt with one of equal or greater strength and corrosion resistance?

1910.23(b) refers you to 1910.22(d) When any correction or repair involves the structural integrity of the walking-working surface, a qualified person performs or supervises the correction or repair.

You asked the qualified person, they said to take it out of service, just because you can replace the bolts, doesn't make you qualified to replace them



It's not a case of neglect, the bolts I'll be using exceeds OEM/osha ladder specs.

Your bolts will not exceed specs, they will violate them because, you asked the qualified person and they told you to take the ladder out of service


Of course the internet forum answer is 'replace the ladder', but I'm just going to replace the bolts.


It's like saying you can't replace a car's wheel studs with aftermarket having equal or greater specs, or to replace the rope of an extension ladder.

Neither the rope or the wheel studs are structural walking/working surfaces and would fall under different regulations


At least the wrong info is out there now if someone searches to replace ladder bolts that we've pointed out to use the proper Shoulder bolts and also grade 8 zinc would be extremely strong and corrosion resistant (as would grade 5 silver zinc), don't use the grade 2 bolts usually in the bins at box stores.
You could replace the ladder for less than $300, to me it would be a no brainer, but Im just some guy on the internet
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Just change them. Have never ever heard of osha checking the bolts on a ladder or measuring to see if you cut a rung off.


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Just change them. Have never ever heard of osha checking the bolts on a ladder or measuring to see if you cut a rung off.


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They probably don't check until after they fail.

I don't remember if it was state or federal, but a local company got fined or threatened with fines because ladders that had their company markings on them and that they were cycling out of service, where tossed in the dumpster, and someone "saved" them and one of the ladders failed, yada, yada, yada, now they cut up their ladders when cycling them out of service
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They probably don't check until after they fail.



I don't remember if it was state or federal, but a local company got fined or threatened with fines because ladders that had their company markings on them and that they were cycling out of service, where tossed in the dumpster, and someone "saved" them and one of the ladders failed, yada, yada, yada, now they cut up their ladders when cycling them out of service


Do the ladder companies have some top secret, extra super strength bolts or something?


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Do the ladder companies have some top secret, extra super strength bolts or something?


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concerning compliance, does it matter?

just because I can build a strong ladder out of 2x4, doesn't mean I can use it on a job site

it might be a regulation too far, but I'm just gonna spend the $300
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ya because they obviously have such high standards. Why do they build them with a bolt that rusts.


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Just change them. Have never ever heard of osha checking the bolts on a ladder or measuring to see if you cut a rung off.


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When you "trimmed" yer ladders, did ya lose sleep over it? Hell no, you got handed a problem, decided on a solution, and moved forward.

And I damned sure would bet you didn't try fixing them BEFORE they were broken.

That right there is the difference.
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If this ladder thing has you stirred up, get to know the OSHA regs and details regarding extension cords.
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If this ladder thing has you stirred up, get to know the OSHA regs and details regarding extension cords.


Lol. There’s a long thread about that couple years back


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Any ladder I remove from service gets cut up, then I give the aluminum to whoever wants to recycle it.

To me this is about respecting the safety of your employees, if you don't have employees do as you wish.
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I fell from a ladder in 2000 framing a golf clubhouse (go figure) had surgery and recieved 4 plates 13 screws and part of my hip bone in my right wrist. I was out a full year.

Ladder falls need to be taken seriously and anytime you can control the situation by not using a ladder that's been Frankensteined (or is that Frankensteened) together is a no brainer.




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Technically any repairs done on any equipment has to be done by someone that can certify the repair. I believe. Not positive about this. But I think extension cords can't be repaired unless done by an electrician. Again not exactly sure on this.

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I’ve replaced the catches on my ladders before. I wouldn’t hesitate to replace parts on a ladder assuming they are the correct replacement parts. For the most part I am the only one using my ladders. With common sense it’s fairly simple to tell if your ladder is safe or not.
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If anyone has ever seen any of the ladders used in barns....
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I'm not too worried about bolts. I never heard of bolts giving way on any ladder.

Wood rot? Yup.
Split wood? Yup
Bent ladder? Yup
Overload? Yup.

I've actually seen a case where an aluminum ladder had the feet replaced with PT and attached to a building as a fire escape. BIs apparently didn't have an issue with it, It was sturdy.

If the visual is good, foot it solidly, tie it off, and don't overload it. That covers the majority of ladder issues. Setting aluminum ladders around power lines is obviously an issue.

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By the time you figure out what bolts to get and go get them then take it all apart and replace it isn't your one better spent making money?

I can be to HD and back in 20 min with a new ladder would cost me about $200.

Would take me an hour or two to go and find the bolts replace them and so on. In two hours I can easily make $200.

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By the time you figure out what bolts to get and go get them then take it all apart and replace it isn't your one better spent making money?

I can be to HD and back in 20 min with a new ladder would cost me about $200.

Would take me an hour or two to go and find the bolts replace them and so on. In two hours I can easily make $200.

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