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Old 08-07-2019, 10:02 PM   #1
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Non Powder Actuated Concrete Nailers


Anyone have experience with Pnumatic or even cordless concrete nailers as an alternative to my slow ramset gun?

I probably shoot 1000 nails a year into concrete for 3/4" furring, bottom plates, and drain mat on foundations. I'd prefer to shoot nails with washers. I see there are some "T-nail" guns. I don't know what application those are typically used for.

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Old 08-07-2019, 10:17 PM   #2
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I've used the trakfast gun for shooting hat channel and wall track. It's FAR easier on the hands, quieter, less smelly (debatable), and much faster, but it's also a lot more bulky and not able to fit in tight spaces because the cylinder jug is so large to get the needed power.

I've never used anything larger than a 3/4" pin so I'm not sure how well it would work through a furring strip but I'm sure someone here has.

I would never use powder again if possible. I had to clean it all the time just like the impulse guns but it's worth it in my opinion.

I'd suggest renting one first and see how you like it. Some of the guys liked the powder better so it depends on your preference.

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I'd be fine with a single shot gun. Still much faster than loading the charge every time.

Something like this.
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I have been using a Hilti DX36 for the last 25+ years never had any issues.
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I have been using a Hilti DX36 for the last 25+ years never had any issues.
Looking to get away from powder actuated, but maybe having 10 shots is all I need.
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I have been kicking around replacing my Hilti with the Makita GN420cse if I can get it shipped here from UK.
I was able to get the finish nailer shipped.

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Re: Non Powder Actuated Concrete Nailers


I have the T-nailer and it works good for CFS and shooting into cinder block and new concrete. The pin is small in diameter. It does not replace a ram set gun that shoots a fat pin.
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Trakfast use one all the time for 3/4 fur strips and window bucking, not a cheap tool use to come free with a big pin order, worth while trying to find a used one fuel comes with the pins also use it for metal track when doing condo's and such.

I use a Ramset Cobra for bottom plates 2x4 pt.

I have 'T' nailer and have never used it once was on clearance al Lowes for $120.00 so I bought it as they cost about 5 bills, any one reading this thread that would like to buy it PM me, it has just sat in m van for seven years riding with me
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I don't have any experience with it, but am looking at the MAX 2.5-in Concrete Nail Gun, Model # HN120.
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I don't have any experience with it, but am looking at the MAX 2.5-in Concrete Nail Gun, Model # HN120.
Pricey tool and needs a special compressor. Would be the ticket if I did hundreds of shots a week.
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Pricey tool and needs a special compressor. Would be the ticket if I did hundreds of shots a week.
I did quick math and I think break even was around 6-8k nails driven, depending on fastener pricing...and the comparable tool cost. I compared the Ramset Cobra+, which I actually just bought this week.

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I've had such terrible luck with the ramset (not from the tool, but from the concrete and brick). often times just cracking or spalling the concrete, no matter how light (or heavy) a load I use. I have found it to be pretty good on cinder block though, but sometimes drilling tapcons are the way to go. As long as the surface is reasonably clean, I'll hot glue the strip so that it stays in place, and then go around drilling the holes. Not as fast as ramset's, or other methods, but its an option.
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I've had such terrible luck with the ramset (not from the tool, but from the concrete and brick). often times just cracking or spalling the concrete, no matter how light (or heavy) a load I use. I have found it to be pretty good on cinder block though, but sometimes drilling tapcons are the way to go. As long as the surface is reasonably clean, I'll hot glue the strip so that it stays in place, and then go around drilling the holes. Not as fast as ramset's, or other methods, but its an option.
I hear that, but check your driver, if the tip of the rod is at all worn or damaged it will start to shoot the pins with a slight angle and it causes more blowout. I hear ya on the tossing it back in the truck and using tapcons...so much so that I use the damn thing a fraction as much as I thought I would....but when I do use it it's a huge time saver.

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Re: Non Powder Actuated Concrete Nailers


With most cordless gas powered concrete nailers you get about 3/4-inch embedment into concrete. If you need more embedment, you would have to go to powder actuated or a drill and fill solution like Tapcon.

Checkout the Ramset TF1200 TrakFast for versatility
https://www.ramset.com/products/tool...framing/tf1200

Or the T3MAG if you do a lot of metal drywall track, hat channel, etc
https://www.ramset.com/products/tool...-framing/t3mag
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I've had such terrible luck with the ramset (not from the tool, but from the concrete and brick). often times just cracking or spalling the concrete, no matter how light (or heavy) a load I use. I have found it to be pretty good on cinder block though, but sometimes drilling tapcons are the way to go. As long as the surface is reasonably clean, I'll hot glue the strip so that it stays in place, and then go around drilling the holes. Not as fast as ramset's, or other methods, but its an option.
I hear that, but check your driver, if the tip of the rod is at all worn or damaged it will start to shoot the pins with a slight angle and it causes more blowout. I hear ya on the tossing it back in the truck and using tapcons...so much so that I use the damn thing a fraction as much as I thought I would....but when I do use it it's a huge time saver.

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I'll give it a check but I had less than 100 shots through it.
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If you're firing into mature concrete, the depth of embedmant usually reduces.
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I have a ramset gun that I haven't used in years.

I buy the ramset nails and hand drive them. It's faster, safer, less blow out and quieter.
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I've resorted to hand driving when fastening wood to new Crete..... Not so much when fastening track/wood to old Crete with river rock aggregate.

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