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Old 12-09-2018, 01:47 AM   #21
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I haven't seen one of those Max guns, they shrunk the head significantly on the newer models. As with everything tool related, stuff made 20+ years ago seems to just work, and work for a really long time. I've been looking for a nice first generation Hitachi NR83 for 7 or 8 years now but I've come to the conclusion they do not exist. Had I found one I probably would have bought it over the Max.



As for LVL with the Max, I have not used it on any LVL or composite, mostly residential... well exclusively residential remodeling in San Francisco so its mostly pine, fur from kiln dry to so green its still growing, and uld growth redwood. I haven't experienced any of the issues Seven-Delta-FortyOne has, aside from trying to top the magazine off with 5 or so nails left, I usually just split a strip in half and try to remember to load it before I end up with a pouch full of half strips to add to my collection bucket. I've only used Hitachi nails in mine, whether other brands do or don't function well I couldn't say. I do wish it had a bump/single fire selector built in but I just keep the bump fire trigger in it and don't let anyone else use it.


I always run the gun completely out before reloading.


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Old 12-09-2018, 01:50 AM   #22
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In one sense you have me convinced to get the Hitachi. Butt between my new obsession with the low profile and your admittance to grabbing the Max first, you have me totally undecided.

With all those issues, what makes you go prefer that gun?


That's a good question, and I don't really know.

It feels a lot more robust than the Hitachi.

I really want to like it.

And I'm trying to use it as much as possible, in order to maybe figure out the problems.

And it's red. I really like red tools.

I also have a Max roofing gun. While I don't have another roofing gun to compare it to, the Max roofer does perform flawlessly.
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i was introduced to hitachi nail guns circa 1985....

rep dropped two framing guns off, with lots of nails, and said i'll be back let me know what you think.....

nailed off miles of shear & roof sheathing....

they were excellent guns and i still like them today.....

there are also other excellent guns out there....
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I used to have a Milwaukee gun. It was small and light, but packed a punch. Unfortunately a guy I worked with broke it and it was no longer made. Milwaukee even told me they couldn't service it

I saw they had come back out for plastic strips, Depot had them in some locations.

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I have stuck with Paslode, and more recently Max. Have seen and tried a few Hitachis over the years, but never purchased one. I have had pretty good luck with my framing guns, however my staplers are a whole different experience.
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Loved the red Milwaukee nailer back in the day, was super bummed when it got stolen.

Also my Hitachi got ripped off but it was good.

Now Iím all in on Dewalt. The weak point is the air gasket, just donít run the pressure too high or it will blow, even under 120 Psi.

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I've used Hitachi for about 20 years, predominantly plastic collated 21 deg models. I do not like their latest Taiwanese made models. I just blew up my last two Hitachi's last month, both broke their firing pins.

I purchased the latest Max low profile super framer 21 deg plastic full head model to try as a replacement. It is lighter and no doubt needs increased air pressure to sink into LVL...in comparison to the heavier older Hitachis. The new Max are now made in Taiwan as well. The firing action is nice but I can tell it can't drive as hard as the heavier Hitachi. Weight matters without increased power.

I do not like Paslode pneumatic framers, never have. Their action is slower and "frumpier", IMO.

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the hitachi I have that i would sujest you shy away from is NR 90AE[s].
i have had it for years and not really remember it's issues other then it stays behind due to not being reliable .has trouble with 2 " nails .It says it is a 3 1/2" .148 so I gave it a try this evening .Magizine is just to tight for .148 nails .they fit but drag . It fired a few nails but it kept jamming .Most of the issues I believe have to do with the magizine and feed .
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Great. That's the one I picked up today.
But I probably won't shoot anything over 3x.131.
I don't frame so frequently that I felt comfortable spending $100-$150 more on a gun.
Guess I'll find out.
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You'll have better luck ,this one is probable just a lemon .Sure is light weight . try it out and post how it works .
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Not calling BS on anyone here with jamming issues since y'all know better, but too many of the jams on guns are due to the wrong nail or wrong setup, like the roofing guns not having their magazine adjusted to match the nail length, or on a combo framer the guide rod for the thinner nails not put back in after it's pulled out to shoot thicker ones. Those rookies will then go and trash talk a good nailer in the online review when it's completely user error.
I once had a helper who would smash up coils in his pouch and then complain that the feed sucked.
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Not calling BS on anyone here with jamming issues since y'all know better, but too many of the jams on guns are due to the wrong nail or wrong setup, like the roofing guns not having their magazine adjusted to match the nail length, or on a combo framer the guide rod for the thinner nails not put back in after it's pulled out to shoot thicker ones. Those rookies will then go and trash talk a good nailer in the online review when it's completely user error.
I once had a helper who would smash up coils in his pouch and then complain that the feed sucked.
explain this guide rod for thinner nails . not familiar with this .wonder if this hitachi i have has a magazine adjustment .my bostich doesn't .
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A good framing nailer doesn't need any adjustments except for maybe depth.


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Only nailguns I’ve had feeding issues with were paslode gas. I think they’re intentionally made that way so you burn through their overpriced gas cylinders faster.
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Paper collated get wet and then bunch up to jamming point. Plastic collated break when the feed is released to far away and then jam. User error most times.

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Only nailguns Iíve had feeding issues with were paslode gas. I think theyíre intentionally made that way so you burn through their overpriced gas cylinders faster.


In three Paslode guns I've never had that problem. In fact I've never had a problem period.


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Just wondering do the new Paslodes use less cartridges than they did 13 years ago?
Its been a really long time...
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explain this guide rod for thinner nails
Bostitch F21PL has a rod that is supposed to be in for nails of .133 and thinner, then out for everything bigger like hanger nails or .148 shear nails. I think a couple other guns have adjustments for the thicker nails. But really, I was just making the point that it's not always the nailgun that is the problem when you have repeated jams.
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A good framing nailer doesn't need any adjustments except for maybe depth.


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I have an older Ridgid framing gun that had some BS you had to adjust on the magazine for smaller diameter and larger diameter nails. This was never mentioned anywhere (features card on the display model, perhaps?) aside from deep within the manual. Only discovered this after it would sparatically fire the last nail of one strip and the first of the next causing a really fun jam to try and clear. After discovering the "adjustment" I tried setting it for the nails I was using.. at which point the strips would hang up in the magazine. I can't bring myself to throw it in the trash, but I also wont pawn it off on someone.

Those Hitachi NR90's seem to work well, the ones I've seen/used at least. Hitachi re-released the NR83 (A5 I think?) after people on the internet review and comment sections hated on Hitachi's newer guns. The reviews on them are pretty mixed, people who have or had the original NR83 say the new one is junk, while others say its great.

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