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Tashler 12-08-2018 10:23 AM

New Framing Nailer
 
I blew out something in my 20 some odd year old Porter Cable nailer. Looking for parts is confusing , not sure what I'll need, and might not be much less expensive than a new gun.

This gun takes the plastic collated nails so that's where I was focusing. Especially since I have some left. But a good argument could persuade me to switch.

I don't frame full time so I'm not looking for top of the line, but don't believe in buying crap either.

So far I have this Hitachi and this Bostitch. Have heard good things about some guns from both, not necessarily these particular models. No idea if the low profile is a good or bad thing.

Any arguments or suggestions?

Donohue Const 12-08-2018 10:28 AM

I have some of those hitachi nailers

been really good so far for me

they get used as a hammer sometimes, have not had one fail or really get jammed

I might be bias towards hitachi framers though, that's all I used since I start my first job framing

I've never been a fan of bostich nailers

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cedarboarder 12-08-2018 12:15 PM

Max nailers are the best imo.

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Tashler 12-08-2018 01:06 PM

Why the Max? And do you think the low profile gun is worthwhile?

cedarboarder 12-08-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashler (Post 7426063)
Why the Max? And do you think the low profile gun is worthwhile?

a salesmen at the store showed me the firing pins from the guns, the firing pin was at least double the size on max. But they are not cheap guns... Max use to make the good bosch nailers..
I've never used the low profile nailers.

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Tashler 12-08-2018 03:11 PM

It's more than twice as much as the Hitachi. Want good but at what price.
Like the low profile unless I'm told that it isn't a good idea.

cedarboarder 12-08-2018 03:32 PM

yeah... I don't own any Max nailers haha

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TRThomas 12-08-2018 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashler (Post 7426121)
It's more than twice as much as the Hitachi. Want good but at what price.
Like the low profile unless I'm told that it isn't a good idea.

I have the Max Super Framer that takes plastic collated nails and like it a lot. If you do residential remodels the low profile head is a nice feature as it can get in places to sister and head things off you couldn't do with a full size Hitachi or similar. It's also lightweight which is nice when you're shooting overhead for extended periods of time. The Max gun only shoots 3-1/4" .148 nails, if you need to shoot 3-1/2" .160's you might want to go with a larger gun. I've only ever needed to use .160's for straps though so it hasn't been an issue for me. These large nails are sometimes called for when sistering joists but I just use structural screws when that is the case/

Bostitch also makes a low profile framing gun, but I can't say anything good or bad about it as I've never owned or used one.

The Max gun comes in 21 degree (standard plastic collated, most widely available), 28 degree (clipped and offset round head typically Paslode nails, can fit quite a few more nails in the magazine, may be harder to find nails locally, limited to .131 diameter and i have *heard* some inspectors don't like to see this for framing) and 34 degree clipped/offset head which I don't know much about.

Tashler 12-08-2018 04:50 PM

I don't think I've ever used .148 or .160, so I doubt that would be a problem.

Does it shoot hard enough to sink in LVL?

Tashler 12-08-2018 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cedarboarder (Post 7426137)
yeah... I don't own any Max nailers haha

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So you"re trying to have the expensive gun through me vicariously?

I'm feeling used.

Tashler 12-08-2018 04:53 PM

I was off a bit. The Max would be around $100 more. Maybe not a deal breaker.

And the low profile really has me a bit giddy.

I need a hobby or something.

Big Johnson 12-08-2018 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashler (Post 7425935)
I blew out something in my 20 some odd year old Porter Cable nailer. Looking for parts is confusing , not sure what I'll need, and might not be much less expensive than a new gun.

This gun takes the plastic collated nails so that's where I was focusing. Especially since I have some left. But a good argument could persuade me to switch.

I don't frame full time so I'm not looking for top of the line, but don't believe in buying crap either.

So far I have this Hitachi and this Bostitch. Have heard good things about some guns from both, not necessarily these particular models. No idea if the low profile is a good or bad thing.

Any arguments or suggestions?


Can’t beat a Hitachi. Great nailer and great price.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hitachi-3-5...Nailer/3020227

Seven-Delta-FortyOne 12-08-2018 06:06 PM

I have both the Hitachi NR90AES and the Max SuperFramer.

Strangely enough, the Max is heavier, but recoils more.

The Max also leaves nails proud quite often. The Hitachi never does. Maybe it's the nails, I don't know.

The Max is also more difficult to load than the Hitachi.

But, I always liked Max, heard they were the best and all, so I can't really bring myself to dislike it.

Oh, and the Max will start mis-firing with 5 or 6 nails still left. But if I get good nails (not Grip-Rite) then I can only fit one rack in when 5 nails remain.

The Hitachi will shoot every last nail with no mis-fires.

And the Max can't be switched between sequential and bump fire. The Hitachi has a switch on the gun for that.

And I still grab the Max first most of the time. :blink: :eek: :laughing:

JFM constr 12-08-2018 06:37 PM

i really think going brand and not the model is important .i do have a hitachi that has never worked well . it was inexpensive though .
i would think if you hit home depot or such you'll get a good functioning gun .i have heard a lot of good comments on the ridged for instance .they will not sell a bum model for very long . go pick them up and look at there features . you'll do fine .

Tashler 12-08-2018 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Seven-Delta-FortyOne (Post 7426251)
I have both the Hitachi NR90AES and the Max SuperFramer.

Strangely enough, the Max is heavier, but recoils more.

The Max also leaves nails proud quite often. The Hitachi never does. Maybe it's the nails, I don't know.

The Max is also more difficult to load than the Hitachi.

But, I always liked Max, heard they were the best and all, so I can't really bring myself to dislike it.

Oh, and the Max will start mis-firing with 5 or 6 nails still left. But if I get good nails (not Grip-Rite) then I can only fit one rack in when 5 nails remain.

The Hitachi will shoot every last nail with no mis-fires.

And the Max can't be switched between sequential and bump fire. The Hitachi has a switch on the gun for that.

And I still grab the Max first most of the time. :blink: :eek: :laughing:

In one sense you have me convinced to get the Hitachi. Butt between my new obsession with the low profile and your admittance to grabbing the Max first, you have me totally undecided.

With all those issues, what makes you go prefer that gun?

SPG 12-08-2018 11:37 PM

I had bad luck with the Bostitch. Picked up a couple of them so we could fire metal connector/hanger nails with the same gun which was nice, but the guns have been falling apart on the job. One has a jam so bad it bent some parts and the other one has blown it's O rings over and over. Neither is on the job anymore. Bostitch/Dewalt customer service has been crap.
We went back to the old Sencos we thought we had retired. I'll probably pick up a new Hitachi before the next framing job comes around though.

Golden view 12-08-2018 11:45 PM

The NR90 series is their lighter duty gun. Also lighter weight, which is why I use it.

cedarboarder 12-08-2018 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashler (Post 7426173)
So you"re trying to have the expensive gun through me vicariously?

I'm feeling used.

If I could go back, I would have got the Max nailers, I know a lot of roofers and carpenters that swear by them. But they run the guns every day and week of the year.

Calidecks 12-08-2018 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seven-Delta-FortyOne (Post 7426251)
I have both the Hitachi NR90AES and the Max SuperFramer.



Strangely enough, the Max is heavier, but recoils more.



The Max also leaves nails proud quite often. The Hitachi never does. Maybe it's the nails, I don't know.



The Max is also more difficult to load than the Hitachi.



But, I always liked Max, heard they were the best and all, so I can't really bring myself to dislike it.



Oh, and the Max will start mis-firing with 5 or 6 nails still left. But if I get good nails (not Grip-Rite) then I can only fit one rack in when 5 nails remain.



The Hitachi will shoot every last nail with no mis-fires.



And the Max can't be switched between sequential and bump fire. The Hitachi has a switch on the gun for that.



And I still grab the Max first most of the time. :blink: :eek: :laughing:



I have two of the older, made in Japan models. They have performed flawlessly for me for almost 20 years. They look like this. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c8cf5248c8.jpg


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TRThomas 12-09-2018 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Californiadecks (Post 7426633)
I have two of the older, made in Japan models. They have performed flawlessly for me for almost 20 years. They look like this. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c8cf5248c8.jpg


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I haven't seen one of those Max guns, they shrunk the head significantly on the newer models. As with everything tool related, stuff made 20+ years ago seems to just work, and work for a really long time. I've been looking for a nice first generation Hitachi NR83 for 7 or 8 years now but I've come to the conclusion they do not exist. Had I found one I probably would have bought it over the Max.

As for LVL with the Max, I have not used it on any LVL or composite, mostly residential... well exclusively residential remodeling in San Francisco so its mostly pine, fur from kiln dry to so green its still growing, and uld growth redwood. I haven't experienced any of the issues Seven-Delta-FortyOne has, aside from trying to top the magazine off with 5 or so nails left, I usually just split a strip in half and try to remember to load it before I end up with a pouch full of half strips to add to my collection bucket. I've only used Hitachi nails in mine, whether other brands do or don't function well I couldn't say. I do wish it had a bump/single fire selector built in but I just keep the bump fire trigger in it and don't let anyone else use it.


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