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Old 12-21-2014, 06:25 PM   #41
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We probably have 30-40 wormdrives in our concrete division. I have seen some last less than a week from hard abuse, some last a year. All skil. Mostly converted over to LT's now due to rotation. There a whole crate at our warehouse of just skilsaws dead. You want to see a hard life for a tool, visit a production forming crew doing deck work on high rises, form, pour, strip every 5 days... We have 2-3 replacements of anything on hand, literally money is no option, schedule is number one.

Drops, grit, cords, theft (dodgy jobsites downtown SF), lost or buried in formwork ( left a 5k genny two weeks ago, couldn't get it out without serious demo, dont ask).

Our shop looks like a place where tradesmans dreams go to die. You name it its sitting there, we need a quality shop foreman to start handling these tools organization and repair, but truth is... Does it pencil out?

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Old 12-21-2014, 11:36 PM   #42
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I've seen concrete crews that go through pallets of HD77 worm drives every 6 months. It has very little to do with the saw and more to do with how they use them. If you are using a sidwinder and want more life try out a Makita worm drive. You will probably see 1 year vs 6 months. There is a reason concrete crews use worm drives, not because they are better but because the durability is better, or they take more abuse. Some crews are hard on tools and you could give them an anvil and they would find a way to break it. This is common in our field.

A lot of what type of saw people use is regional and comes down to what they are used to using. Some people swear by a worm drive because of the blade, but others use a sidewinder. It's familiarity.

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Thought I would keep this one alive because it's a valuable thread.

Grew up around an old timer who used sidewinders and therefore learned on one. Graduated HS and got on production where they used worms. I found them strange. For a while I used my sidewinder; yes I got made fun of. Eventually worked with the worm enough that I noticed it's value. Later on I inherited a HD77 (USA made one and still have it and still use it) now it's like an extension of my arm. Try to take it away I'd use it like a weapon to defend it and me. It takes a short time of getting used to. Once you get used to it you will laugh at the squiggly sidewinders. The ability to cut accurately with a SW vs. a WD is not comparable.

One thing I will say for safety sake is don't try to learn on one. Learn how a saw works and make some crappy cuts. Once you figure it out use a wormdrive, don't look back.

And get a .40 and stop arguing about both inefficient calibers.

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I've seen concrete crews that go through pallets of HD77 worm drives every 6 months. It has very little to do with the saw and more to do with how they use them. If you are using a sidwinder and want more life try out a Makita worm drive. You will probably see 1 year vs 6 months. There is a reason concrete crews use worm drives, not because they are better but because the durability is better, or they take more abuse. Some crews are hard on tools and you could give them an anvil and they would find a way to break it. This is common in our field.

A lot of what type of saw people use is regional and comes down to what they are used to using. Some people swear by a worm drive because of the blade, but others use a sidewinder. It's familiarity.
Why so fast doing forming? I don't see how its possible.. especially once you are out of the mud going up..
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Our crew is doing a floor every 5 days. Shore, deck, reinforce, pour, strip, reshore, jump floor. 5 days. Makita skill saw vs. worm drive saw-imageuploadedbycontractortalk1424703282.465207.jpg
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We probably have 30-40 wormdrives in our concrete division. I have seen some last less than a week from hard abuse, some last a year. All skil. Mostly converted over to LT's now due to rotation. There a whole crate at our warehouse of just skilsaws dead. You want to see a hard life for a tool, visit a production forming crew doing deck work on high rises, form, pour, strip every 5 days... We have 2-3 replacements of anything on hand, literally money is no option, schedule is number one.

Drops, grit, cords, theft (dodgy jobsites downtown SF), lost or buried in formwork ( left a 5k genny two weeks ago, couldn't get it out without serious demo, dont ask).

Our shop looks like a place where tradesmans dreams go to die. You name it its sitting there, we need a quality shop foreman to start handling these tools organization and repair, but truth is... Does it pencil out?
You need to find a trade school that would be interested, they can teach the students how to fix and maintain the tools that they use, then they can keep them.

Although it'll probably come down to liability as someone will try to sue after getting hurt... People suck.
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I started out using a sw. We just called them saws. When I became a union carpenter in NYC, all we used was a skil 77. Eventually I bought one and I love it. I have a ws built in USA. I was almost going to sell it but when I come to this forum most rave about the skil 77's made in US. I think the weight is an advantage. But I dont use the same hammer or screw driver for everything. I take a sw for light weight work. Iam 61.
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Still remember when I first used a worm drive. Until then I only had experience with reg circ saws, blades on the right, light as heck, etc etc. Got one because of the raving of how good a worm drive is etc. And my thought process went something along the lines of:

a) Damn, this is heavy! Wtf am I gonna do with it?!
b) ... h e a v y.
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[Turned it on, torqued my arm from not knowing what to expect]
c) @#^&!!!! I'm in love.

Then having used that ever since, and swapping to my cordless Makita I got later on with the blade on the left- I went to use my friend's cordless Ridgid the other day like a year or 2 ago, for a quick cut, and my mind went blank for a good half minute trying to figure out what was wrong. Had to tell him it was broken. He asked why- I said, "Blade's on the wrong side."

All jokes aside I wouldn't mind it if I were a lefty, but I'm not. As to easier to use sidewinders being lighter etc- as 2 others pointed out, with the entrance of the Mag LT version- that's a null point. I have one and I started thinking, wtf am I going to do with my other 3 or 4 worm drives now...? But like it's already been said. It only matters if you like it. Just like Ford, Chevy or Dodge. It doesn't matter what truck you choose to drive, as long as you like it- they'll all work the same. But if you chose anything other than Dodge or Chevy, you chose wrong
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You are all making me really curious about worm drives. Maybe I can convince the boss to finally spring for one. He's talked about it.
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Get the LT. So nice.
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That LT is comparable in wieght now to most sidewinders, so that can no longer be an excuse.
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That LT is comparable in wieght now to most sidewinders, so that can no longer be an excuse.
I was just going to say the LT is lighter than my Milwaukee sidewinder according to the specs.
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The only thing is be careful of with the LT (although I'm more careful in general) is I see lighter weights as: not the tanks of yesteryear. I know a lot of people cut and drop their Skils all over the place concrete surface be damned, and I can see that potentially warping plates etc. So I would be careful. I actually had to return the shoe plate on mine for an exchange but that was a mfg defect where it came warped from the store and not perfectly flat. I had like an eighth inch of deflection from front to back.
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If I'm the only one using the saw I'm not worried about damaging anything. It's when my helper gets a hold of it...
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Ideally the magnesium shoe takes a beating. More likely to break/crack than bend like the old aluminum shoe. We've had luck with the older models with mag shoe.
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I got my first worm drive at a yard sale for five bucks when I had an old framer working with me about ten years ago. He said "get that. You can't kill those things". I still use it occasionally on plywood, but prefer my Milwaukee with adjustable handle when I'm cutting all day. My wrist is getting tired of heavy tools.
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That LT is comparable in wieght now to most sidewinders, so that can no longer be an excuse.
I've used the regular mag quite a bit but not the LT. Does the fact that the LT is light(er) than a sidewinder make it feel "jumpy" like a SW usually is or does it have the same feel due to the wormdrive design? It seems to me that the weight of a WD is part of it's appeal. Drop cuts with a SW are no fun (or more like push cuts).

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