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Old 12-15-2014, 11:32 AM   #1
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Hey everyone, I wasn't sure where to post this but I want to see where everyone stands on a topic.
I have been in business in the Framing and Finish Carpentry trade for 15 years and have always bought my crews all of their skilsaw and sawzall blades. Does everyone else do this? I was just told by another sub on a site that I was crazy for supplying my guys with blades. I know guys switch blades out for a new one much faster when they aren't paying for them, but am I crazy for supplying the blades?

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I supply the blades and the saws.I understand your point about them switching them out faster when they are not paying for them.I would rather pay for them and have more production and better quality work done than have them milk every last bit out of a blade they pay for.I do however,keep an eye on the usage.

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That is my thought process as well. I don't want to hear guys say they forgot to bring blades or take 20 minutes to cut a 2x4 with a dull blade. Thanks!
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The GC I work for supplies saws and blades. I however have my own saws, but he still throws me a blade when I need it. We primarily do residential remodeling, so not framing a house every day, but I always have blades when I need em. I also do side work, so I have my own blades, and don't mind using my blades on his projects since he takes care of me when I need it.
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Pretty much have to supply blades for employees saws. Cant expect them to have to pay for consumable items. I keep them under the seat in my truck. All they have to do is ask. A dull saw is a dangerous saw. If they had to replace them, they would keep them on far longer than they should. No point in risking an injury or having bad cuts due to dullness. Also if the customer makes changes and you have to sawzall a bunch of nails, why should the employee pay for that. There are some guys on here who will chastise you for even having your employees supply saws. I believe they are a bunch of disgruntled employees. They will be along shortly. lol My employees supply their own saws.
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I supplied all saw blades.

Guys I worked for in the 70's/80's also sharpened our handsaws weekly.

You younger guys might want to google that....
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My job, my limber , may saw & blades.

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I supplied all saw blades.

Guys I worked for in the 70's/80's also sharpened our handsaws weekly.

You younger guys might want to google that....
When I went though carpenter school , my class was the last one to file and sharpen a handsaw. We also drilled many holes with a brace and bit. This was 1991. The reason was that it was required by the union and it was up to the board to change the requirements. Also had to sharpen wood chiseles and regular screw drivers as part of our class work.

We did not have to make one , but had access to a handsaw holder that allowed the carpenter to work on a hand saw.
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Are they your employees or illegal subcontractors (i.e. 1099 employees)?

Around here, the contractor provides all the tools and consumables for his employees. Sub crews provide their own tools and consumables.
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Are they your employees or illegal subcontractors (i.e. 1099 employees)?

Around here, the contractor provides all the tools and consumables for his employees. Sub crews provide their own tools and consumables.
My employees. And I do provide all of the consumables, I thought it was crazy when the other contractor asked me why I supplied them.
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A parallel example for me would be drill bits. When I have a temp crew of 10 to 15 guys using drills, I provide the bits. To manage the abuse, I require that they bring me the old dull bit before I give them a new one. That way they are less likely to lose them or put them in their tool bag and take them home.

Prior to that rule I found myself running out of drill bits at a much faster rate. How did 10 guys use up nearly 30 bits in less than a week?

I've even made it clear to the guys that they can get a new drill bit from me as often as they need one, no questions asked... with the exception of the occasional "Didn't I just replace this bit for you an hour ago?" But adding some degree of accountability into the system helps encourage them to take care of my stuff while at the same time not using dull tools because they are worried about me being a grinch.
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I know some don't buy those things, but can't imagine why anyone good would want to work for them. Sharp blades and bits work better and are safer to use in almost every situation. How would you like to be paying an l&i claim, or even wrongful death lawsuit because someone got hurt using a tool with a beat up, shisty blade on it?
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I worked for two builders who did the same thing. The one builder I worked for used to say that he wanted you to provide everything, except the big stuff they had, and never wanted to give us anything, but the foreman was good. We gave the old one in NAND they gave us a new one.

We work in me trade that involved the use of tools and with that being said there is always much controversy in who is liable to supply what tools. I'm my eyes I find it fair to say that it's fair the boss supply blades, in exchange to the old worn out ones for exchange. Fair is fair. Circ saw blades aren't expensive to begin with.

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