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Old 01-09-2014, 05:46 PM   #41
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I don't worry about snapping my hickory handle, cause a new one costs $5.
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Old 01-09-2014, 05:47 PM   #42
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Stiletto's are worth every penny. I broke my right wrist 3 times and the stiletto makes a big difference when its acting up.
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I am not worried about replacing broken handles but that means down time. I can't pry anything with out the head sliding up on the 14. With the cheap hammer, pried the hell out of stuff today and it didn't budge.

The health issues are the biggest thing. I have not heard any good argument that a lighter hammer isn't better for you. Sure, I hear "grrr I am a man I swing a 28oz all day and I am fine" Give it time, it will catch up with you. My step father is almost 60 and he hung rock and ceilings as a union carpenter for many years before doing his own thing as a residential carpenter. He never had any issues until this year. It cost big bucks to get the issues in his neck and shoulder worked on.

IF the Ti-Bone works as well as this cheap hammer and is better for my wrists (I already do have pain in my wrists sometimes and they crunch if I move them in a circular motion) and shoulder, it is money WELL spent. I fly fish so the last thing I want is a messed up shoulder.
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Old 01-09-2014, 06:21 PM   #44
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It's also funny how no one comes in and says "yea I gave the titanium a couple of months and it sucked". maybe the people criticizing (without experience) should actually try something before opening their big mouths (or keyboard). I put zero weight on someone's opinion that hasn't used what they're giving their opinion on.
It ain't a T-bone, but it's a Stiletto. This is the hammer that's crossed 2 continents and has been used by some of the best carpenters in North America.

I practiced with it for a couple weeks on the job and warmed up with it for a good bit before I shot the video.

After using the titanium hammer I picked up my Craftsman Cali framer and banged a few nails, then a $6 Harbor Freight framing hammer and banged a few more. I can tell you beyond the shadow of a doubt that the only upside to titanium is less weight in the belt. As a tool to bang nails, it's far inferior to a heavy steel hammer...even a cheap one.
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Old 01-09-2014, 06:41 PM   #45
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I agree with that, you can't beat the mass of a heavy hammer for driving a nail. That is why we grab an 8lb sledge to remove braces when the framing hammer just isn't getting it done.
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I guess when they were building houses with handsaws they would brag who had the sharpest. I remember thinking my yankee screwdriver was the greatest. Some people just hate new things and methods. I pray I never get like that.
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I've used the tibone for 4 yrs, driven hundreds of lb's of hand spikes with it.

To me it comes down to this.

A 28 oz steel hammer WILL drive a nail better than a 15 oz titanium hammer. But it's twice as heavy, Flyfish noticed the extra weight going from the 14oz.

I will gladly sacrifice an extra baby swing to sink the nail in order to have half the weight hanging off my waist all day. It's way lighter, It feels better to use, it is easier on the arm, and it's nearly as good at driving nails. If an extra $200 for one of your main hand tools is a big deal, maybe you should get a raise?



I use a nail gun as much as possible anyway.


I saw that Wal Mart sells Black and Decker circ saws too. I guarantee I can make as good of a cut with that POS. But there is not a chance I'd buy one. I'm a professional, and I try to use professional tools.
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I guess it's time. it's time. it's VADER time!
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I've used the tibone for 4 yrs, driven hundreds of lb's of hand spikes with it.

To me it comes down to this.

A 28 oz steel hammer WILL drive a nail better than a 15 oz titanium hammer. But it's twice as heavy, Flyfish noticed the extra weight going from the 14oz.

I will gladly sacrifice an extra baby swing to sink the nail in order to have half the weight hanging off my waist all day. It's way lighter, It feels better to use, it is easier on the arm, and it's nearly as good at driving nails. If an extra $200 for one of your main hand tools is a big deal, maybe you should get a raise?



I use a nail gun as much as possible anyway.


I saw that Wal Mart sells Black and Decker circ saws too. I guarantee I can make as good of a cut with that POS. But there is not a chance I'd buy one. I'm a professional, and I try to use professional tools.
While I tend to agree with you, I don't own any $200 hand tools. I certainly wouldn't compare B&D to estwing as far as professionalism. You're preference in hammers if suits you, is great, you chose the highest quality tool but saying someone who doesn't use one isn't professional is asinine at best. It'd be the equivalent of me saying to be a professional with hardwoods someone has to own a kapex instead of a dewalt...
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While I tend to agree with you, I don't own any $200 hand tools. I certainly wouldn't compare B&D to estwing as far as professionalism. You're preference in hammers if suits you, is great, you chose the highest quality tool but saying someone who doesn't use one isn't professional is asinine at best. It'd be the equivalent of me saying to be a professional with hardwoods someone has to own a kapex instead of a dewalt...
I didn't mean to imply that anyone is unprofessional. If I came across that way, I wasnt trying to. Just refuting the theory that if it does the job, it's good enough. To me, the hammer is my most used tool. Period. Since this is my full time profession, I'm going to get the best I can possibly get. Even if only for the ergonomics.

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I didn't mean to imply that anyone is unprofessional. If I came across that way, I wasnt trying to. Just refuting the theory that if it does the job, it's good enough. To me, the hammer is my most used tool. Period. Since this is my full time profession, I'm going to get the best I can possibly get. Even if only for the ergonomics.

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No worries everyone has certain preferences. I always think its funny when someone says "it works for me so its right for everyone".

I do agree that if a carpenter doesn't spend any money on good tools he's cheap not frugile, and it will probably show up in his work.
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No worries everyone has certain preferences. I always think its funny when someone says "it works for me so its right for everyone". I do agree that if a carpenter doesn't spend any money on good tools he's cheap not frugile, and it will probably show up in his work.
How professional a carpenters tools are and how well and organized a carpenter is, usually speaks volumes about his work. IMO
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all the best carpenters I know are disorganized messes. don't they say messiness is a sign of genius? like Einstein was total pig?
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I don't know, I know some pretty stupid people that are complete slobs.
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all the best carpenters I know are disorganized messes. don't they say messiness is a sign of genius? like Einstein was total pig?
You don't have to be a genius to be a good carpenter, but if you want to be a good contractor you should be very organized
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I never understand all this $150 hammer talk. I framed for years with a 22 oz (or so, it might have been 25 oz) hart framer, which was known on the crews I worked on as a "California framer". We framed plenty of houses where there was one nail gun on the job, and I didn't get to use it because I was outranked, so I had my hammer glued to my hand all day, and plowed through most of a fifty lb box of hand framers pretty much by myself. Never had a problem. No matter how much money you spend on your hammer, I doubt you can sink a nail in less than 2 hits. Far as I know, all the house we framed with those hammers haven't fallen down either.

You can get one pretty much exactly like the one I had at depot for $30 right now, and they even have like a 20 oz for you pansies.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I say if you think you need a more expensive hammer than that, it's just in your head.

Hart's are good hammers , so are Estwings.

Like I said, the hammer doesn't have anything to do with my performance.

It's not showing off, no one here even knows what it is.

Only comparison I can make personally is guns. My old 30-30 iron sight knocked down deer with the best of them. I still wanted a Browning A bolt after firing one a few times. I bought one. Same with shotguns. My Ithaca tore up a lot of dove, but I wanted a Berreta automatic and I bought one.

The hammer doesn't drive as good as my 22 oz Estwing. But it's lighter and more comfortable.

I wouldn't say it's worth 175 bucks, but I read about it so many times on here i had to try it . It's just another "want" purchase for me.
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How do you like that beretta john? I was shooting a friends nova pump the last time we went out, and man is that a nice gun. So I was thinking about the super nova. Only downfall is it felt a little on the heavy side
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How do you like that beretta john? I was shooting a friends nova pump the last time we went out, and man is that a nice gun. So I was thinking about the super nova. Only downfall is it felt a little on the heavy side
I like it. It's the Urika Optima 12 gauge.

I wish the butt stock had more drop on it, though.

I bought two over and unders this year. Just Academy models to see if I like over and unders before I buy a Browning Citori. I like 20 gauge pretty good for dove, like the over and under real well.

Haven't tried a Nova. Pretty sweet, other than the heft?
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It just seemed like a well thought out gun. Maybe it just fit me good, but i was shooting quads with clay pigeons Could only ever do triples with the 480 and 37

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