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Old 08-11-2013, 11:25 PM   #841
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One thing about the UK is that the festools arent fixed price there as they are n te states. You can manage to find some pretty good deals. Lots of times one can haggle the price down or they'll throw in extra items ect. yes they are still pricey, but the price can be negotiable.
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:57 PM   #842
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About 19 years and still developing how to screw things up even faster
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:09 AM   #843
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One thing about the UK is that the festools arent fixed price there as they are in the states. You can manage to find some pretty good deals. Lots of times one can haggle the price down or they'll throw in extra items ect. yes they are still pricey, but the price can be negotiable.

http://www.dm-tools.co.uk/browse.php.../10230/level/4

http://www.dm-tools.co.uk/browse.php...n/9754/level/4
That's what we need here is more outlets with competitive pricing
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:42 AM   #844
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They do things differently in Europe
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The prices in the Uk used to be fixed, until Festool got fined 8 million euros over it.
http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/f...ng-t63731.html

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Well shoots we need some of that action in the states
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Well shoots we need some of that action in the states
It prob won't be long. There are plus sides to it though. It keeps resale high as you know that discounttools.com ain't gonna be selling them for 2/3rds what you paid and it keeps the dealers on their toes because people ain't buying on price alone.
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It prob won't be long. There are plus sides to it though. It keeps resale high as you know that discounttools.com ain't gonna be selling them for 2/3rds what you paid and it keeps the dealers on their toes because people ain't buying on price alone.
Good forbid something be sold at the natural equilibrium price point.
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They could sell them for more, just no less then the minimum.
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I don't even want to know what the margin is on their stuff. $300 for an 8' track that probably doesn't cost $50 to manufacture.
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I don't even want to know what the margin is on their stuff. $300 for an 8' track that probably doesn't cost $50 to manufacture.
Well a lot of our prices are cheaper than the European prices on their tools. Yet they have to ship them all the way over here.

Perhaps if they were made in China to the quality of Chinese tools then they could make them vastly cheaper. But we already have dewalt and Bosch who fill that end of the market. So why would we want another china junk tool?

I think their prices are fair. what did a good skilsaw cost 20+ years ago. I bet vastly more than they do now.
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I bought a Black & Decker professional sawcat about 20 years ago..130.00 if I remember correctly. And my wages were less than half what they are now.
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They could sell them for more, just no less then the minimum.
That's illegal and called price fixing.
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I don't even want to know what the margin is on their stuff. $300 for an 8' track that probably doesn't cost $50 to manufacture.
Typically manufacturing is 10% of retail...so it probably costs less than that.

Still they can sell it for whatever they want...just don't strong arm your retailers.
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Aluminum extrustions are expensive to make. There are other companys making rails and they all seem to be priced pretty close. Must not be cheap to make.
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All the metal extrusions that I've seen priced (from a local manufacturer who will only do them with no less than a 50k count) are incredibly expensive and only steel. When I bought some 1/4" plate aluminum (higher grade) 12"x12" I paid over $60 per and that's from a wholesaler I have a relationship with, so no $300 isn't all that expensive.
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Typically manufacturing is 10% of retail...so it probably costs less than that.

Still they can sell it for whatever they want...just don't strong arm your retailers.
I doubt it's that low. Where did you get that number? I know retail markup is only about 10% on tools. I expect Festool to be a bit higher. Quite a bit! But I think the reasoning behind the pricing model is to guarantee better service from the retailers. If Festool can promise higher margins on more expensive tools, the vendor would probably treat their Festool buying customers better.

As far as price fixing goes, I don't think this would fall under those regulations. Price fixing is generally in regards to commodity products, or if different manufacturers collude to bring prices up. This is one manufacturer setting the price of their own product. Saturn started doing it with cars, and now Tesla is doing it. Apple does it, as well. Laws in GB are a little different than here, so it may not become an issue for them.
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I think he's talking about just taking the material and producing the part, none of the other overheads involved in getting the product to consumers.
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I doubt it's that low. Where did you get that number? I know retail markup is only about 10% on tools. I expect Festool to be a bit higher. Quite a bit! But I think the reasoning behind the pricing model is to guarantee better service from the retailers. If Festool can promise higher margins on more expensive tools, the vendor would probably treat their Festool buying customers better.

As far as price fixing goes, I don't think this would fall under those regulations. Price fixing is generally in regards to commodity products, or if different manufacturers collude to bring prices up. This is one manufacturer setting the price of their own product. Saturn started doing it with cars, and now Tesla is doing it. Apple does it, as well. Laws in GB are a little different than here, so it may not become an issue for them.
It is but they get around it by saying "you can sell if for whatever you want but if you sell it for less we will terminate sales to you" and make you sign a dealer contract that has a termination for no reason clause.

I know this because I've signed a few.
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It is but they get around it by saying "you can sell if for whatever you want but if you sell it for less we will terminate sales to you" and make you sign a dealer contract that has a termination for no reason clause.

I know this because I've signed a few.
Your a funny guy but you definitely don't want to get on the wrong side of a bunch of kool-aid junkies on a kool-aid thread. We'll pay what we have to, the other stuff just doesn't cut it.

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