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Old 12-12-2018, 09:27 PM   #7141
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They are no longer being sold at most lumberyards here and even where they are they are not doing any demo days/shows here
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Old 12-15-2018, 01:06 PM   #7142
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the recent conversations about Kapex armatures was sure timely. Low and behold about a month ago my 6 year old Kapex started to slow down, lots of sparks inside the motor housing, and the putrid smell of burnt motor started coming out. I originally thought it was the brushes but when I pulled them they were only about half used.

My local awesome lumber yard (Golden State Lumber) has a tool repair facility that basically handles all major manufacturers (sorry Ridgid). I dropped off the Kapex, they mailed it in to the repair facility and I got it back about 3 weeks later completely fixed, and free of charge

Now remember this is a 6 year old. Not only did they fix the armature but did a major tune up on the saw. New detent plate, new bushing on the swing arm, new spring that pops up the saw after a cut, new clearance plate, and re-machined the slots that fit the back adjustable plates. One final nice touch was they re-aligned the lasers and put on a new decal over the adjustment screws.

I know we pay a premium for quality tools but this was truly above and beyond. I was expecting to pay about $600+ to have this tool fixed.
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the recent conversations about Kapex armatures was sure timely. Low and behold about a month ago my 6 year old Kapex started to slow down, lots of sparks inside the motor housing, and the putrid smell of burnt motor started coming out. I originally thought it was the brushes but when I pulled them they were only about half used.

My local awesome lumber yard (Golden State Lumber) has a tool repair facility that basically handles all major manufacturers (sorry Ridgid). I dropped off the Kapex, they mailed it in to the repair facility and I got it back about 3 weeks later completely fixed, and free of charge

Now remember this is a 6 year old. Not only did they fix the armature but did a major tune up on the saw. New detent plate, new bushing on the swing arm, new spring that pops up the saw after a cut, new clearance plate, and re-machined the slots that fit the back adjustable plates. One final nice touch was they re-aligned the lasers and put on a new decal over the adjustment screws.

I know we pay a premium for quality tools but this was truly above and beyond. I was expecting to pay about $600+ to have this tool fixed.
Holly Chit! I'm gonna start sending them all my tool repairs!
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I'm not an electrical engineer. It's probably the armature because that seems to be the part that gets them running every time. But from these pics where is the huge wear that is causing it to die? I don't fully understand electrical motors. Are there other parts you see wear on I should replace since it's down and out of service?

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You need a growler to check the armature.

The brushes look fine.

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You need a growler to check the armature.

The brushes look fine.

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Thanks I thought there was plenty of brush left as well.

Did some research on growlers and testing methods.....think i understand the electric motor a lot more. Interesting stuff.

Going to get an armature ordered and put this thing back together and see if it comes back to life....(maybe order two so one is in the shop ready for next time)

Btw anyone going to do this themselves...you need a detail vaccum kit from HD and a straw as well as a 4mm allen key that is over 6 inches long
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Thanks I thought there was plenty of brush left as well.

Did some research on growlers and testing methods.....think i understand the electric motor a lot more. Interesting stuff.

Going to get an armature ordered and put this thing back together and see if it comes back to life....(maybe order two so one is in the shop ready for next time)

Btw anyone going to do this themselves...you need a detail vaccum kit from HD and a straw as well as a 4mm allen key that is over 6 inches long
Long t-handle allen key.

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yup! i now own a set of metric 9" t handle elkunds
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Ok....might have to call in to festool on this one

why are there no part numbers for the armature associated with my kapex model # on the ekat?
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Hey John, go back to post # 7068 of this thread (where mine took a dump) and read forward. I changed the armature (not a real simple process, but if I did it…). The problem was not the armature.

If you end up changing the armature, pay attention to post #7092.

I ended up giving it to Tom (tjbnwi) and he changed the speed control board. It now runs (so I’m told).

What were the circumstances of it going down?
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Just some information for this group, the guy's instructions are a little short. There's a bit more to it than he describes. These two instructions would have been tremendously helpful.

1. You need a 4mm Allen wrench that is at least 6" long (longer would be better).

2. There are a couple of bearings on the old armature that are pressed on. I was able to beat them off without damaging anything. Took a while, but I finally got them off.
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Ok....might have to call in to festool on this one

why are there no part numbers for the armature associated with my kapex model # on the ekat?
You have to call Festool service to order, should be #203552

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If it means anything mine is one of the first ones out (2008 I think?) And I bought it used from my machinery guy in 2012 and I have no issues with it. It's actually the longest I've ever had a Miter saw without a major issue. Normally I figure if I can get three years out of them then it's worth it to just sell at a really low price or give it away and buy new. Kapex had to last 6 and it's been much longer.

Add to that the fact it is so much more accurate and faster than most other saws, I wouldn't hesitate if you're looking for one in the shop. Not sure I'd run one on jobsites often though.

Now the HKC? **** that. Go buy a mafell. I still hate my HKC every time I pull it out.
I converted Spencer to the Yellow saws. If speed and accuracy are the criteria you're after pretty sure I can convert you too. Added bonus is that it'll run big boy full kerfs without smoking out.
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My Kapex sits on the side of my house and is used only for the occasional cut. Don't use it in the field at all anymore.


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I converted Spencer to the Yellow saws. If speed and accuracy are the criteria you're after pretty sure I can convert you too. Added bonus is that it'll run big boy full kerfs without smoking out.
Since my Kapex was down for a period of time, I got a couple of brand new yellow saws. They cut well… the dust collection is just phucking terrible. You guys that work new construction can tolerate the yellow dust machines. In remodel, we gotta be cleaner. Glad Tom was able to save my Kapex.


Thanks, Tom

I forgot one additional thing. No laser line is like a step back into the stone age. Lining-up a cut is time-consuming.
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Since my Kapex was down for a period of time, I got a couple of brand new yellow saws. They cut well… the dust collection is just phucking terrible. You guys that work new construction can tolerate the yellow dust machines. In remodel, we gotta be cleaner. Glad Tom was able to save my Kapex.


Thanks, Tom

I forgot one additional thing. No laser line is like a step back into the stone age. Lining-up a cut is time-consuming.
I run a DWS780 (12" sliding with light) right now. On Black Friday I got the DW716XPS which is the 12" fixed with a light. The light is better than the lasers, doesn't need any adjustment and just works every time.

Dust collection is horrible compared to the Kapex which one of our crews has. Oh well... we got the fast cap saw hood and it makes up for it. When I'm running trim, I can cut way faster on the DeWalt. The line of sight to the blade is much better than on the Kapex.

I absolutely hate cutting 4 1/4" base on the Kapex even though they have the special "mode" to accommodate it. You just can't see your line at all.

I'm not setting it up in someone's family room anyway so yeah, I really like the DeWalt now. It's also about $2,000 cheaper when you buy the saw and stand...

It would be interesting to go back several years and see posts I made when we bought our Kapex. Things change. I wasn't doing trim on a regular basis with it at the time and that's what has changed my mind. Like Justin said, better blade options too.
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I don't do much conventional trim work. Mine is mostly mitered cuts in the shop. I take it to jobs maybe once every 3-4 months.

I'm open to other saws... Kapex has been really good to me though. For some reason I still have it in my head a Miter saw should be a slider. I know it shouldn't be, still just a thing about not being able to cut all the way through a stair tread. I was scarred by this early in my career
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I don't do much conventional trim work. Mine is mostly mitered cuts in the shop. I take it to jobs maybe once every 3-4 months.

I'm open to other saws... Kapex has been really good to me though. For some reason I still have it in my head a Miter saw should be a slider. I know it shouldn't be, still just a thing about not being able to cut all the way through a stair tread. I was scarred by this early in my career
I have both now and will be able to use the fixed as my primary for trim but as needed bring the slider out of the shop.
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Do the dust boot mod Spencer did to his 716xps. Helps a ton!

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