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Old 10-19-2018, 08:39 PM   #7121
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Nope. Although my brother said we should go again since it was a good time.
I get there Friday night....

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Old 11-25-2018, 06:41 PM   #7122
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How was it?
It was nice. The FOG event Friday night was very enjoyable. They gave the attendees a Systainer with a corded hose in it and a cheese board/knife set.

I got a few DF 700 connectors from Sedge so I could try out an assembly process that is not listed in the Festool instructions. What we need to do works with the connectors.

The tools I have a pretty good grasp on how to use them and what they'll do. Nothing there I did not already know about.

Funniest thing that happened is someone triggered the cartridge on the Saw Stop cabinet saws they had set up (TTS Tooltechnic, Festool parent company, acquired Saw Stop June of 2017). Heard through the entire hall.

I attend to see some members of FOG I've known for at least 10 years. Someone I know from back home flew out, I was surprised to see him. Hadn't seen him in a few years so it was good catching up.

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Hey all!

I dont want to get into an argument about this tool just looking for some advice from someone whos done this already

Kapex motor just crapped the bed today I bought it in 2013 so its obviously out of warranty. Does anyone know what the typical problem is for this? It sounds like it's the armature that goes bad. Do you just order one and swap it out or are there other parts you should order at the same time? I wish it was like a dewalt or something where you could just unbolt the motor and swap out a whole unit! Anyone know of a Kapex motor repair kit? TIA
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Hey John, go back to post # 7068 of this thread (where mine took a dump) and read forward. I changed the armature (not a real simple process, but if I did it…). The problem was not the armature.

If you end up changing the armature, pay attention to post #7092.

I ended up giving it to Tom (tjbnwi) and he changed the speed control board. It now runs (so I’m told).

What were the circumstances of it going down?
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Hey all!

I dont want to get into an argument about this tool just looking for some advice from someone whos done this already

Kapex motor just crapped the bed today I bought it in 2013 so its obviously out of warranty. Does anyone know what the typical problem is for this? It sounds like it's the armature that goes bad. Do you just order one and swap it out or are there other parts you should order at the same time? I wish it was like a dewalt or something where you could just unbolt the motor and swap out a whole unit! Anyone know of a Kapex motor repair kit? TIA
Did it slow down then let out the magic smoke or just stop working?

Did the problem occur while cutting?

Do the lasers come on?

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THanks for the tip I will read those.

It was running fine...never had a problem then on it's last cut it all of the sudden was arcing inside the housing, couldnt turn at barley half speed and smelled like burning electrical. I wondered if something didnt break off and is blocking the armature?

I got some instructions online and got it halfway apart before i ran out of energy last night. Brushes look fine. Ive got to get some kind of detail vaccum attachment so i can clean the dust out to the bolt holes to pull the motor to get to see the rest of it. Should the armature be able to spin freely or feel like it is catching?

I know how to take electric motors apart and get them back together. I am still not completely sure how they work. So i am interested in how to diagnose the problem. Your case is the only time i have read online of it not being the armature.
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Did it slow down then let out the magic smoke or just stop working?

Did the problem occur while cutting?

Do the lasers come on?

Tom
It happened immediatley on the pull of the trigger. From dozens of good cuts to a single now griding, burning, and reduced speed for now on.

Lasers were showing when it was burning used it last. I havent tried them since.
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It happened immediatley on the pull of the trigger. From dozens of good cuts to a single now griding, burning, and reduced speed for now on.

Lasers were showing when it was burning used it last. I havent tried them since.
It cooked the armature.

Order a set of brushes to go along with the armature.

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The new armatures now come with the lower bearing assembly in place.

The new assembly and part number.

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The new assembly and part number.

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Sure they do...with all the failures Festool needed to speed up the repair process...
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Sure they do...with all the failures Festool needed to speed up the repair process...
By percentage what are the failures?

I have 3 Kapexs.

I have 2 other brand saws that have issues and are unusable.

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By percentage what are the failures?

I have 3 Kapexs.

I have 2 other brand saws that have issues and are unusable.

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Kinda a joke kinda not. Can't really say on the failure rate of them. I do know mine failed twice in a 1 year period. Never ran on a generator, never on a long cord. My 20 year old DeWalt is still going. Don't get me wrong...I love the Kapex but I bought a new DW716xps for when the Kapex fails the 3rd time. Just a lot of money and a lot of supposed failures on FOG for a saw that isn't a mainstream purchase item for most guys.
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By percentage what are the failures?

I have 3 Kapexs.

I have 2 other brand saws that have issues and are unusable.

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Nobody can say by percentage about failure rate because Festool remains mum.

I've been tempted to get one, but reputation for failure is discouraging. Add to that the rumor that you really aren't suppose to use it on same circuit as the "dust collector", then what am I supposed to think?.

I think I'm not going to bother with it is what I'm going to think.

I know you're more than satisfied with yours, but based on my experience with festool and their underpowered saws, combined with the kapex legend of premature fatalities, I'm simply not going to take the chance.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, I'm just hoping festool would wake up and address the issue, rather than stay silent.

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Nobody can say by percentage about failure rate because Festool remains mum.

I've been tempted to get one, but reputation for failure is discouraging. Add to that the rumor that you really aren't suppose to use it on same circuit as the "dust collector", then what am I supposed to think?.

I think I'm not going to bother with it is what I'm going to think.

I know you're more than satisfied with yours, but based on my experience with festool and their underpowered saws, combined with the kapex legend of premature fatalities, I'm simply not going to take the chance.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, I'm just hoping festool would wake up and address the issue, rather than stay silent.

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If it means anything mine is one of the first ones out (2008 I think?) And I bought it used from my machinery guy in 2012 and I have no issues with it. It's actually the longest I've ever had a Miter saw without a major issue. Normally I figure if I can get three years out of them then it's worth it to just sell at a really low price or give it away and buy new. Kapex had to last 6 and it's been much longer.

Add to that the fact it is so much more accurate and faster than most other saws, I wouldn't hesitate if you're looking for one in the shop. Not sure I'd run one on jobsites often though.

Now the HKC? **** that. Go buy a mafell. I still hate my HKC every time I pull it out.
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I guess I must be strange but this motor failure on the kapex is the first miter saw failure I've ever had.

I've got a Hitachi 10fsh that is still running that I bought in 2008 that is bailing me out while the kapex is down. I use it for framing siding (Hardie) and decks. Only thing wrong with it is the stupid guard design. If I didn't have employees I'd rip that dumb thing off.

I really like almost everything about the kapex except the goofy blade size that limits my choices and the weak grindy motors.

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If it means anything mine is one of the first ones out (2008 I think?) And I bought it used from my machinery guy in 2012 and I have no issues with it. It's actually the longest I've ever had a Miter saw without a major issue. Normally I figure if I can get three years out of them then it's worth it to just sell at a really low price or give it away and buy new. Kapex had to last 6 and it's been much longer.



Add to that the fact it is so much more accurate and faster than most other saws, I wouldn't hesitate if you're looking for one in the shop. Not sure I'd run one on jobsites often though.



Now the HKC? **** that. Go buy a mafell. I still hate my HKC every time I pull it out.


You've got to use it to know how long it will last.


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Kinda a joke kinda not. Can't really say on the failure rate of them. I do know mine failed twice in a 1 year period. Never ran on a generator, never on a long cord. My 20 year old DeWalt is still going. Don't get me wrong...I love the Kapex but I bought a new DW716xps for when the Kapex fails the 3rd time. Just a lot of money and a lot of supposed failures on FOG for a saw that isn't a mainstream purchase item for most guys.
It's a turkey.
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I think Festool has “jumped the shark” I the last few years except for their sanders
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