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Old 06-05-2014, 07:10 PM   #2161
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I respectfully disagree..... Has something to do with even spacing......accurately .... For me.... JMPOV.....
Tom is right. The fence could be at a 45 degree angle as long as the fence is straight the fluting will be dead straight too.
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Old 06-05-2014, 07:11 PM   #2162
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Even fluting it does no matter. If the bit center is 2" from the fence it stays 2" from the fence no matter what angle the fence is to the edge of the table.

Straight is critical, square is not.

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So the sliding table would be useless then?
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Tom is right. The fence could be at a 45 degree angle as long as the fence is straight the fluting will be dead straight too.

Straight vs accurate scaled measurements are 2 separate entities.......



If your not square to the feild plate markings - guess what happens".......




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Tom is right. The fence could be at a 45 degree angle as long as the fence is straight the fluting will be dead straight too.
There's no measurements on the festool table. I always measure of the fence. I have never owned a table with measurements. If my bit center is 30mm of the fence then its 30mm off the fence. Can't really go wrong on a table if the fence ain't square to the table.
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I do.....

Woodpecker quick lift......

And I use the field plate markings to accurately separate flute spacing.....

Just saying.....not trying to be argumentative.....



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I do..... Woodpecker quick lift...... And I use the field plate markings to accurately separate flute spacing..... Just saying.....not trying to be argumentative.....
Which means it makes no difference being square but you prefer your way lol

I never trust any gauges. I always get a tape and double check what the stuff says its on anyway. Even my festool table saw which is dead on to the 64th of an inch I check with a tape each time I cut. Belt and braces
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We all have our own way....


Peace....



Nothing personal....
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I think the issue here is semantics.

I consider a flute to be a groove created with the long edge running against the fence.

A dado, running cross grain will (normally) need to be square to the end grain of the board.

The dado will use the sliding table, the flute/groove will run along the fence. If I'm detailing the edge of a panel all the sides run along the fence. If I'm detailing the edge of a board, I'll use the fence on the long edge, fence and sliding table on the end grain.

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No semantics.....


Think of a scale- centered perpendicular to the center point of a bit....

Now if your fence is off by several degrees front or back....the scale is useless.....


When I want to flute a center of a 5-1/4 inch flat - I back the fence up until I hit the 2-5/8 field mark on plate. And it is exactly 2-5/8......

Throw that parallel square relationship off...just a bit ....


And it will be off....if I go by my scale....

I don't use a tape measure.....not necessary.....IF my fence is square to the markings on the field plate....which it is. 2-5/8 will be 2-5/8- centered....

Just the way I work.....


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If you have tapes on your table that's all well and good but the festool don't nor do many others. It takes 5 seconds to measure from the fence to your bit. If I was changing bits out 20x a day and adjusting for numerous different size boards I would add some of that adhesive tape to the rear of the fence and do it your way. I use router table about 5x a year. Most of the time I use my of1400 with the track or guides.
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I'm not knocking anything BC......


As I said ,...we all have our way of doing things....





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I'm not knocking anything BC...... As I said ,...we all have our way of doing things.... Peace.....
Oh no I get ya. Your ways perfectly fine to me.
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I found the cms system on eBay, many will ship the the states.
What does that cost? How easy is to put the saw in and take it back out, is the router module the same as the one we can buy here?
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I found the cms system on eBay, many will ship the the states.
What does that cost? How easy is to put the saw in and take it back out, is the router module the same as the one we can buy here?
Not sure what it costs to ship the item. I bought mine used from a FOG member for a very good price.

The riving knife has to be changed to use the blade guard. Not hard to change out at all. I have the TS-75 module, I use the 75 less than my 55's, so the 75 used was well worth it to me.

Yes, the module for the router is identical.

One other thing, dust collection is impressive on the CMS 75.

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It works on plaster also.

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Plaster?

I'm always so reluctant to cut dusty, nasty chit with my TS's.

I have a big soapstone job coming up, and I have to build an integrated apron sink.
You would feel comfortable using your 75?

I know they test them by blasting em with Arkansas sand or something, but it all seems so "destructive".

BTW....how do you make your rail levitate on that ceiling?
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Plaster?

I'm always so reluctant to cut dusty, nasty chit with my TS's.

I have a big soapstone job coming up, and I have to build an integrated apron sink.
You would feel comfortable using your 75?

I know they test them by blasting em with Arkansas sand or something, but it all seems so "destructive".

BTW....how do you make your rail levitate on that ceiling?
What's the point in owning it if you don't use it.
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Plaster?

I'm always so reluctant to cut dusty, nasty chit with my TS's.

I have a big soapstone job coming up, and I have to build an integrated apron sink.
You would feel comfortable using your 75?

I know they test them by blasting em with Arkansas sand or something, but it all seems so "destructive".

BTW....how do you make your rail levitate on that ceiling?
I've cut a couple slabs of soapstone with my TS55 before and plan on cutting more in the future. I just made sure to have the vac hooked up. The vac kept everything fairly clean but I did give it a final cleaning with an air hose.
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Well,
I can see where blueridge is coming from. I have 3 CS's . One for junk cutting, one for out in the field and one for the shop , strictly for using on sheet/ply wood material only.


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Plaster?

I'm always so reluctant to cut dusty, nasty chit with my TS's.

I have a big soapstone job coming up, and I have to build an integrated apron sink.
You would feel comfortable using your 75?

I know they test them by blasting em with Arkansas sand or something, but it all seems so "destructive".

BTW....how do you make your rail levitate on that ceiling?
Arizona sand (I know---- sad that I know that, supposedly it is the most abrasive sand there is).

I use my tools, if it breaks or wears out, I fix it or buy a new one. They're tools not museum pieces. Not saying abuse them, just use them as you would any other. I cut drywall and cement board with it.

Clean the rail and saw after use. I have 3 TS's so I can pick and choose.

Dust extraction is great the bag does clog up faster. I believe Festool does not sell the cement blades here because we do not get the M dust class CT's here.

I have the cement board blade for the 55 so I would use the 55 on soapstone.

I'm considering having a diamond blade punched to use on concrete.

I used screws in the holes in the ends of the rail. I usually use 2 sided tape, easier to set the rail over head, did not have it with me.

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