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Old 12-29-2009, 07:37 PM   #141
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This has to be one of the most depressing threads ever on this site.

It is a shame that we can't just go out and buy good tools anymore.

We work our azzes off, attempting to buy quality tools so that we can do quality work only to be let down with cheap junk that don't last.

All of the tool manufactuers have lessened their quality standards it seems.

They have not only sent the prodution of their products to countries that have cheap labor they are also manufactuering junk componets to build them from. One of those lowest bidder things I guess.

Junk tools I own: OMG

Dewalt belt sander, junk out of the box

Dewalt cordless Finish gun, loved it when it was new, now it won't shoot

Bosch, RO sander, shot after 2 jobs

Milwaukee 18 volt cordless drill, DEAD

Several Delta tools. They work, just cheap feel to them

The list goes on.

I've had pretty good luck with most Makita tools, however, I don't think they are built as well as they used to be.

It is sad.
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:47 PM   #142
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milwaukee 18 volt cordless, not dead, just no power to it, clutch is gone or something cant use a 1" spade bit in it, cant sink 2 1/2" screws

porter cable pancake compressor- light use over 3 years, takes forever to fill and doesnt deliver enough air

dewalt orbital sander- junk right out of the box, no balance uncontrolled speed... sold it

makita- some gear good, some gear not so hot. i like the new design on their circ saws though, better balance and better handle position, just as much if not more power
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Ridgid Plumbing tools and Ridgid (Emerson) power tools are two different animals IIRC.
Ridgid handheld power tools are made by TTI which is a Chinese company. TTI now owns Ryboi and Milwaukee. Ridgid handheld power tools are the "pro" house brand for Home Depot.

Emerson basically sold (leases?) the Ridgid name to TTI for the hand power tools.
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I think I'm gonna go with the Dewalt radio, the reception is not that great and the stupid bolts in that dumb cage always come out-there goes the cage. Now i just have a big yellow radio with no handle. Certainly not as tough as my Bosch nor does it have the great sound.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:51 PM   #145
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This has been a crazy thread. thanks for all your input.
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Any Ryobi 18volt tool, not up to the task, ok maybe the impact driver and drywall cutout tool are exceptable. Saw sucks, batterys suck, radio sucks.
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Any tool that they have in the napa 5 dollar pick a tool bin. snips wont cut corner beads.

my ridig vacumm is going on 4 years now mostly drywalll dust. so far so good, plus it has a nice long hose can do stairways .... no complaints .
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I think I'm gonna go with the Dewalt radio, the reception is not that great and the stupid bolts in that dumb cage always come out-there goes the cage.
You didnt read in the instructions how to fix the reception issue? When I was doing drywall full time, we would pull a neutral line out of an outlet box, put a loop in it. Then we would place that between the antena, and where it screws into the radio, tighten it up, clear tunes
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I read a bunch of reviews saying how great the things are so, I decided to buy one. I thought the one I got must have been broke so I tried a second one. The second one was the same as the first, worthless. Maybe I got two bad ones but the ones I tried didn't have enough power to do much of anything. Maybe good for #6 5/8" slide screws? Trying to drive any #8 screw was a slow, painful process.
I do have their PS-20 pocket driver and have to admit I really like it. I wouldn't want to try building a deck or anything with it but for building cabinets the thing is awesome.
The makita versions are great for their size. I can butt a stack of doors or drive 1/4-20 self-tappers into steel doors and frames no problem.
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Sure looks purty, though.
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I bought this for a Hardiplank siding job, it lasted about four days then broke.



They stand by their warranty though, Home Depot took it right back. This saw is junk, and the price reflected it too, I bought it for $180. The only other fiber cement saw I could find was the Makita for $300. I notice a lot of the Rigid tools are about $50 to $100 cheaper than comparable tools with a different brand. So you pay for what you get. But I never had a problem with the rigid worm drive saws, and I own a Rigid vacuum cleaner as well, works perfect.
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Any tool that they have in the napa 5 dollar pick a tool bin. snips wont cut corner beads.

my ridig vacumm is going on 4 years now mostly drywalll dust. so far so good, plus it has a nice long hose can do stairways .... no complaints .
Ridgid Vacs!

The best for the money and even costlier vacs can't compete with it!
Anyone who spends more is going to experience diminishing returns.
Ridgids just get they job done well!

Their like great hookers!

They suck great!

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I think I'm gonna go with the Dewalt radio, the reception is not that great and the stupid bolts in that dumb cage always come out-there goes the cage. Now i just have a big yellow radio with no handle. Certainly not as tough as my Bosch nor does it have the great sound.
I have the Bosch Cube radio.

Reception is poor too, BUT it's hard to justify buying another.
It's sealed great from dust.
I've beaten it to death and in roofing of all things.
Plus, I LOVE all of the features (iPodable with sealed cargo area, CD, outlets for power and built in GFCI, handles, roll cage, etc...).

High marks for the Makita radio (the white one).
Great sound, compact package, iPodable as well.
Good reception.

New DeWalts are copying Bosch's features.
Let's see how the new ones work.

But, I've no reason to buy another one until my Bosch dies.
I'd buy another Bosch in a minute if they could better the reception issue.
But right now, I'd get a Makita radio next.

I have a feeling that if my Bosch radio dies (whether it's the CD, the sound, the radio, etc...), everything else on it would still work (outlets, charger, etc...) so I can't see myself chucking it. I think it's going to be with me forever!

P.S. Despite the warnings from Bosch, it actually DOES make a great place to stand on! You've no idea how many times I've used it for "step" or as a seat or as a makeshift table.

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I picked up a little Milwaukee 12V radio and drill combo a little while back. They had them on sale for $79. I am pleasantly surprised by the quality of sound and reception. It also has a MP3 hookup behind a door where you can place you iPod. It may be small, but it puts out plenty of tunes. No CD player, but I don't carry CD's anymore anyway.
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I picked up a little Milwaukee 12V radio and drill combo a little while back. They had them on sale for $79. I am pleasantly surprised by the quality of sound and reception. It also has a MP3 hookup behind a door where you can place you iPod. It may be small, but it puts out plenty of tunes. No CD player, but I don't carry CD's anymore anyway.
It sounds great because it used Rockford Fosgate speakers and probably a receiver united designed by them.
RF is one of the best audio manufacturers out there. I've heard the Mil's and their great.

CD's are so 90's now.
I'm working on making the MP3/iPod conversion myself.
(Still think vynil is best, but, oh well)



$79.?

Steal.

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Bammer is my all time winner. It got to the point I had to sit on it to engage the thing before I could shoot a nail. That got to be a problem up on the ladder.

Regarding the current trends in tools, we are most definitely seeing a paradigm shift. The days of having a tool perform for a decade or more, are most likely over. The tool manufacturers will get us used to lowering our expectations and embracing the throw away mentality.

The pains of progress!
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Regarding the current trends in tools, we are most definitely seeing a paradigm shift. The days of having a tool perform for a decade or more, are most likely over. The tool manufacturers will get us used to lowering our expectations and embracing the throw away mentality.

The pains of progress!
I agree. There are several forces working against us here, even in high-end tools.

First, products are almost no longer being made in the U.S., and 3rd world countries that have taken up production are still, 3rd world countries. Infrastructure and QC are desperatly lacking. The factories that make them have even suppliers that are even worse. But, I'm sure this will get better over time. You only have to look to Japan. They were once (not that long ago, I might add) considered the provider of all things crappy!

Second, there is the drive for lighter weight, which drives the need for lighter components. Think plastic! Even wear items, such as gears, become plastic on some products.

Third, we want smaller tools, which causes components to become necessarily smaller, which in turn leads to weaker parts.

Then there is the drive for lower prices. Now wear items become cheap plastic.

Give me the best, most powerful, most compact, lightest drill you have! Oh, and make it cheap!

The thing is that all of these are consumer driven. Manufacturers, for the most part, cater to homeowners. Professional tool abusers are a relatively small market in comparison, it seems. If the masses bought quality over price, the tool manufacturers would strive to build the best xyz out there. But price is a strong consideration for most buyers. We can B*tch about price, or we can b*tch about quality. Good quality tools exist, it's just that most of us won't pay the price.
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Lemme guess second only to Bose?
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Ive got a hilti drill that I smashed on the floor in anger. Started making a funny noise so I switched back to my old milawaukee,then went back to my hilti for the rest of the job. Worked perfectly....Even better than the mil did. There are good tools out there-just gotta pay for em(and dont abuse them). Yep-I got a bad temper.




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This has to be one of the most depressing threads ever on this site.

It is a shame that we can't just go out and buy good tools anymore.

We work our azzes off, attempting to buy quality tools so that we can do quality work only to be let down with cheap junk that don't last.

All of the tool manufactuers have lessened their quality standards it seems.

They have not only sent the prodution of their products to countries that have cheap labor they are also manufactuering junk componets to build them from. One of those lowest bidder things I guess.

Junk tools I own: OMG

Dewalt belt sander, junk out of the box

Dewalt cordless Finish gun, loved it when it was new, now it won't shoot

Bosch, RO sander, shot after 2 jobs

Milwaukee 18 volt cordless drill, DEAD

Several Delta tools. They work, just cheap feel to them

The list goes on.

I've had pretty good luck with most Makita tools, however, I don't think they are built as well as they used to be.

It is sad.
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Lemme guess second only to Bose?

Lol i was just gonna say something just like that. RF are poop just like Blows, Sorry Bose. My mate come around to see my $6000 B&W's and he had the cheek to say his Bose sounded better LMFAO He had never heard of B&W
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