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Old 11-21-2014, 02:40 PM   #1
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Completely Unacceptable Bosch!


I don't do a lot of work with metal but this morning I needed to anchor some brackets to some 1 1/2" square steel tubing, 1/8" sidewall. Grabbed my Bosch Impactor and a 5/16" nutsetter.



I was using #12 self tappers that were supplied with the brackets. Quickly became apparent that the Impactor really didn't like what I was asking it to do. 28 screws later I had 4 dead batteries and the job was finished.

This is BS Bosch.

To make matters worse the homeowner was standing beside me the entire time. Even made the comment that "He would have never dreamed the screws would have been that hard to put in."

I was so pissed off I almost stopped at Hilti on the way home.

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Old 11-21-2014, 04:49 PM   #2
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Re: Completely Unacceptable Bosch!


Probably could have saved some trouble with pilot holes.

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without holes, im surprised you made it anywhere, and really surprised you didn't snap a screw.
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He must have drilled pilot holes with the #12's into steel. Was this the 12V or 18V?
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Perhaps you were using the wrong self tappers? There are those for drilling sheet metal, and then there's the type for structural steel
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Perhaps you were using the wrong self tappers? There are those for drilling sheet metal, and then there's the type for structural steel


I have good luck with Tek self-drillers
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He must have drilled pilot holes with the #12's into steel. Was this the 12V or 18V?
18v and yeah I drilled pilot holes.

Screws supplied with the brackets.

They were NOT sheet metal screws.
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Probably could have saved some trouble with pilot holes.
Drilled pilot holes.
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So...

You hammered through 4 batteries to put in 28 screws that already had pilot holes??

Maybe your pilot was too small..
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Robinson,

A self tapping screw is not necessarily a self drilling screw. A self drilling screw may also be a self tapping screw.

You should park that impact driver when metal applications are involved. A self drilling screw will go through 1/8 inch steel easily if you have the right fastener. Self Drilling means use a drill. When the threads catch you will be aware that is happening. Switch your drill to low and finish it using your clutch so you don't break the screw.

Try that next time.

Google Fastenal self drilling screws if you need to see what a self drilling screw looks like.
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Yeah self drilling and self taping are completely different screws. You need a high speed drill and corded would be best for self drilling. If you were using self taping then you either had the wrong size pilot hole or you had the drill in reverse lol

I have put hundreds of these screws in with my 3ah packs so the Bosch should easy be able to do that on one pack.
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Just a thought...were the batteries cold...as in real cold?
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You gotta use a drill not am impact. I install tek screws by the hundreds. Typically I get at least 100 # 12s per charge. (Makita) I never put in a pilot hole either
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Installing 14x3/4 self drilling Tek screws into 1/8" aluminum, my CSK 10.8v drill out preformed a Makita 18v impact 2 to 1. Side by side comparison, each tool running at the same time (I was using my CSX, someone else was using his Makita impact). This is one of those applications where a drill is the right tool.

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Installing 14x3/4 self drilling Tek screws into 1/8" aluminum, my CSK 10.8v drill out preformed a Makita 18v impact 2 to 1. Side by side comparison, each tool running at the same time (I was using my CSX, someone else was using his Makita impact). This is one of those applications where a drill is the right tool.

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That's weird my 18v makita Impact puts about 3-4x as many screws in per charge than my CXS. But my CXS is sooo much nicer to use.
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Sounds defective...
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That's weird my 18v makita Impact puts about 3-4x as many screws in per charge than my CXS. But my CXS is sooo much nicer to use.
TEK self drilling?

I no longer own a cordless impact. After burning up 3 Bosch 18v in a year I gave up. Can't stand the noise anyways. If I need an impact I break out the air powered ones. I have them in 3/8-3/4 drive up to 1200 foot pounds.

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TEK self drilling?

I know longer own a cordless impact. After burning up 3 Bosch 18v in a year I gave up. Can't stand the noise anyways. If I need an impact I break out the air powered ones. I have them in 3/8-3/4 drive up to 1200 foot pounds.

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I'm using like for like screws as a comparison. As an example I put about 500 1.5" spax wood screws into some sub floor with my makita on 6 year old pack before a need a recharge. I got about 200 out of the CXS before battery cut off. Not that I expect a 1.3ah 10.8v drill to perform like a 18v 3ah impact. 200 was pretty good for the CXS in my eyes though. There's just no way I would expect to see the CXS out do the makita on anything but weight.
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That's weird my 18v makita Impact puts about 3-4x as many screws in per charge than my CXS. But my CXS is sooo much nicer to use.
The CSX spun the screws in faster, total of 50 screws. I ran 35 to his 15, I know the count, we were installing E-track in my trailer.

I believe the Mikita would have run in more screws per charge.

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Just a thought...were the batteries cold...as in real cold?
This is a good question.

They always keel over real fast if you left them in the truck on a freezing night.

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