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Old 05-09-2015, 05:11 PM   #21
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I could see how you wouldn't want to carry both tools, they are so heavy and massive.
It's just one more tool I don't have to take with me, don't have to carry around, don't have to remember to have supplies for, etc.

I want to take the fewest things possible with me to do the task at hand.
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I'll agree that the less you have to hump around the better. That's why the biscuit joiner lives in the van and the Domino only comes out of the shop when necessary.
My domino travels. My maka and festo chain mortiser take care of most shop work.
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..when do you go anywhere?..
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It's just one more tool I don't have to take with me, don't have to carry around, don't have to remember to have supplies for, etc.

I want to take the fewest things possible with me to do the task at hand.
One of the same reasons that I don't router out my window openings when framing. What else am I gonna need a router for, and how many windows/doors are gonna need routered out on any day?
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routered out r.o.'s are nice..as long as someone else does the routering..
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..when do you go anywhere?..
Only when i have to.
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My domino travels. My maka and festo chain mortiser take care of most shop work.
If that's what works for you then that's great. Every carpenter will have their "go to" tools. I can't fault you for not wanting to carry extra equipment for the reasons you outlined. I've seen any number of carpenters who unload a massive number of tools on a job and the time they may save them is wasted in the logistics of rolling them in and out.

I find a biscuit joiner on site to be of much greater use to me. I have been using quality biscuit machines long before the Domino hit the market. They are accurate and if they weren't I'd ditch them as I simply don't have time to deal with the rework caused by inaccurate tools. The Domino is also an accurate tool and the additional capabilites make it worth owning and maintaining a stock of consumables.

The cost of the 4mm Dominos you brought up is pretty much even over to the cost of the Lamello plates I buy. I would just have to use twice as many at least. I use enough biscuits in a year that the extra consumable cost would add up. In addition there would be an extra mortise to be cut for ever joint. It's not much more time to cut one mortise vs a biscuit slot and even two don't take much time but if you multiply the extra time by the number joints it would be used on in a house and the number of houses in a year it will add up. I see it as extra time that could be better spent elsewhere.

Like Joe I use them for scarf joints and assemble on the wall. I have tried the Domino for this but the shape of the Domino makes it harder to do even at the wider mortise settings. The biscuit has more wiggle room.

If I want to align longer edge joints quickly I just plunge in the biscuit joiner and run it down the edge like a router. On the other piece I eyeball my desired spacing and slot it for biscuits. I do this frequently because it's quick and eliminates extra layout time. If I did this with a Domino the bit would snap. The joint could be cut with a router and a Domino but it's another tool to bring out.

I also get a lot of use out of the specialty plates Lamello makes like the K-20's and the Fixo's. They are a quick way to solve odd joinery problems.
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My domino travels. My maka and festo chain mortiser take care of most shop work.
Yeah, when I got my Domino I put my biscuiter in the back of the truck. After a week no one had stolen it; I mentioned it to a friend and he took it. I haven't missed it at all.
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If that's what works for you then that's great. Every carpenter will have their "go to" tools. I can't fault you for not wanting to carry extra equipment for the reasons you outlined. I've seen any number of carpenters who unload a massive number of tools on a job and the time they may save them is wasted in the logistics of rolling them in and out.

I find a biscuit joiner on site to be of much greater use to me. I have been using quality biscuit machines long before the Domino hit the market. They are accurate and if they weren't I'd ditch them as I simply don't have time to deal with the rework caused by inaccurate tools. The Domino is also an accurate tool and the additional capabilites make it worth owning and maintaining a stock of consumables.

The cost of the 4mm Dominos you brought up is pretty much even over to the cost of the Lamello plates I buy. I would just have to use twice as many at least. I use enough biscuits in a year that the extra consumable cost would add up. In addition there would be an extra mortise to be cut for ever joint. It's not much more time to cut one mortise vs a biscuit slot and even two don't take much time but if you multiply the extra time by the number joints it would be used on in a house and the number of houses in a year it will add up. I see it as extra time that could be better spent elsewhere.

Like Joe I use them for scarf joints and assemble on the wall. I have tried the Domino for this but the shape of the Domino makes it harder to do even at the wider mortise settings. The biscuit has more wiggle room.

If I want to align longer edge joints quickly I just plunge in the biscuit joiner and run it down the edge like a router. On the other piece I eyeball my desired spacing and slot it for biscuits. I do this frequently because it's quick and eliminates extra layout time. If I did this with a Domino the bit would snap. The joint could be cut with a router and a Domino but it's another tool to bring out.

I also get a lot of use out of the specialty plates Lamello makes like the K-20's and the Fixo's. They are a quick way to solve odd joinery problems.

It just so happens, my plate jointer is an older lamello. I think I have a tool problem.

Yes, I do like the speciality stuff for the lamello.

I have been trying to talk myself out of a dual dowel machine.
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If that's what works for you then that's great. Every carpenter will have their "go to" tools. I can't fault you for not wanting to carry extra equipment for the reasons you outlined. I've seen any number of carpenters who unload a massive number of tools on a job and the time they may save them is wasted in the logistics of rolling them in and out.



I find a biscuit joiner on site to be of much greater use to me. I have been using quality biscuit machines long before the Domino hit the market. They are accurate and if they weren't I'd ditch them as I simply don't have time to deal with the rework caused by inaccurate tools. The Domino is also an accurate tool and the additional capabilites make it worth owning and maintaining a stock of consumables.



The cost of the 4mm Dominos you brought up is pretty much even over to the cost of the Lamello plates I buy. I would just have to use twice as many at least. I use enough biscuits in a year that the extra consumable cost would add up. In addition there would be an extra mortise to be cut for ever joint. It's not much more time to cut one mortise vs a biscuit slot and even two don't take much time but if you multiply the extra time by the number joints it would be used on in a house and the number of houses in a year it will add up. I see it as extra time that could be better spent elsewhere.



Like Joe I use them for scarf joints and assemble on the wall. I have tried the Domino for this but the shape of the Domino makes it harder to do even at the wider mortise settings. The biscuit has more wiggle room.



If I want to align longer edge joints quickly I just plunge in the biscuit joiner and run it down the edge like a router. On the other piece I eyeball my desired spacing and slot it for biscuits. I do this frequently because it's quick and eliminates extra layout time. If I did this with a Domino the bit would snap. The joint could be cut with a router and a Domino but it's another tool to bring out.



I also get a lot of use out of the specialty plates Lamello makes like the K-20's and the Fixo's. They are a quick way to solve odd joinery problems.

I used the domino on this casing and only put one domino in it using the paddle stop. In reality a biscuit would have been stronger I think. Plate joiners definitely still have their place.

First you got me in a hand plane kick, then it was a sharpening kick, now I'm going to have to sell my pc biscuit joiner and biscuits and go lamello. What next? Oh...and I placed an order last night for some t track and hold downs for that arch cutting jig.

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Spencer you can use the domino just put two dominos in. That size casing needs two dominos. Remember find what works for you, I personally prefer dominos.
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By bad I mean biscuits.
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Spencer you can use the domino just put two dominos in. That size casing needs two dominos. Remember find what works for you, I personally prefer dominos.
I agree, I have the second level of this job knocked out. 26 square door sides and 10 arched sides. When I start another floor I'll likely switch back to biscuits for the casing.
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I used the domino on this casing and only put one domino in it using the paddle stop. In reality a biscuit would have been stronger I think. Plate joiners definitely still have their place.

First you got me in a hand plane kick, then it was a sharpening kick, now I'm going to have to sell my pc biscuit joiner and biscuits and go lamello. What next? Oh...and I placed an order last night for some t track and hold downs for that arch cutting jig.

Not sure. What else do you want/need?
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Not sure. What else do you want/need?

Hard to say. I just know that at this stage of the game it amazes me I'm still finding tools I don't know how I lived without all the time. I'm wondering if it's ever going to end.
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Hard to say. I just know that at this stage of the game it amazes me I'm still finding tools I don't know how I lived without all the time. I'm wondering if it's ever going to end.
It won't.

It's just a matter of how many you will own.
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I have an older Dewalt that I don't use that much. I also have the Domino that I tend to grab first. I only dream of doing high end trim like Justin!
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I have an older Dewalt that I don't use that much. I also have the Domino that I tend to grab first. I only dream of doing high end trim like Justin!
Most of what I do is fairly boring, mundane, and uninspiring. Bills don't pay themselves. Every once in a while a fun and challenging job shows up and I'm thankful when it does.
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