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Old 04-25-2015, 07:45 AM   #1
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Apron/Block Plane For Trimming And Miter Relief - Suggestions?


I've never used a plane. Just a tool I never purchased. I know a lot of guys use them with trim carpentry, specifically for relieving miters on casing.

Any recommendations?

Do you use a plane for anything while trimming?
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Re: Apron/Block Plane For Trimming And Miter Relief - Suggestions?


I like the Lie Nielson bronze #102 block plane. When running trim it lives in my vest and when I wore Oxy bags it lived in the leather hammer loop. I use it for relieving miters, changing miter angles, tweeking a scribe line, fitting rail parts, and about a hundred other random things.

Their rabbet block plane is also very useful but is a bit large to fit in my vest.

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Re: Apron/Block Plane For Trimming And Miter Relief - Suggestions?


The Nielsen 102 is absolutely perfect....for the work you are describing.

But.....if I only had one block plane, that wouldn't be the one.

As a second dedicated light trimming plane it is unbeatable, but without an adjustable mouth, it is just too limiting to be my only block plane.
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Re: Apron/Block Plane For Trimming And Miter Relief - Suggestions?


Great question Spencer! I also am curious. I have an old Stanley that gets used very little.
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I like the Collins Bunny planes (I have a Stanley that the 102 is copied after). Just one of those things, they're so damn convenient to use.

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Great question Spencer! I also am curious. I have an old Stanley that gets used very little.
The daily 'driver' is a stanley, probably 15 years old. Saved big money

Don't matter how fancy, how expensive, if they aren't sharp they don't work. Especially for reliefs on hardwood miters.

Belt sander is not sharpening it's abuse
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Re: Apron/Block Plane For Trimming And Miter Relief - Suggestions?


Another vote for the lie Nelson block plane. I started out with a cheap Stanley and once I realized how much I needed it I upgraded to lie Nelson.
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I've never used a plane. Just a tool I never purchased. I know a lot of guys use them with trim carpentry, specifically for relieving miters on casing.

Any recommendations?
Yes, learn how to evaluate, tune, and sharpen a plane in theory before you buy. Then walk through it all on the plane you buy.
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I use a Stanley 60 1/2 adjustable throat block plane.
Doesn't quite fit in my pocket, but it's in my bag.
I keep a sharpening kit in the truck to keep the edge keen.
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but without an adjustable mouth, it is just too limiting to be my only block plane.
I'm not sure why that is - you're just taking thinner slices all the time vs thinner and thicker. If I need a health trim, I usually use a chisel (wielding it like a slick) and fine tune with the plane.
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I have more planes then I know what to do with but the ones I carry are a marples 60 1/2 and a record 102.
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I always have this small block plane for baseboard. Or pretty much anytime I'm doing trim and my workstation is more than 20' away.


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I've never used a plane. Just a tool I never purchased. I know a lot of guys use them with trim carpentry, specifically for relieving miters on casing.

Any recommendations?

Do you use a plane for anything while trimming?
Spencer,

Here are the ones I keep either on me, close to me, or in the van and their uses. Most are small or specialty planes. Many don't get a ton of use but when needed there is no substitute. They do the job better than a power tool for their intended purpose. I've never gotten into bench planes as for the most part I prefer to let power tools do the heavy lifting.

Lie Nielson 102. I've tried the Veritas apron plane but the Lie Nielson feels more natural in my hand. That's a big factor in choosing what you will use/purchase. Physically lay hands on them if possible.

Stanley 60 1/2 low angle and 9 1/2 standard angle. Low angle is best in end grain and standard works best on edge grain. Both are tuned up and sporting Hock irons. Adjustable mouths to take a larger bite if needed. I usually just use the 102.

Collins Bunny planes. Useful for fairing details on scarf joints and rail fittings.

Large spoke shave and small spoke shave. Also useful for rail fittings.

Rumbold butt plane. Useful for tweaking hinge mortises and random hardware. I'm too slow to hang doors efficiently with it.

Lie Nielson rabbeting block plane. Tweaking rabbets for a good fit or planing right up to an edge. Also very nice as a straight block plane.

Stanley 92 shoulder plane. Also works on rabbets but I keep it around because I can split it in half to use as a chisel plane to get into a corner.

Lie Nielson #95 edge plane. I can clean saw marks off a board edge faster than I can sand them off. There's a learning curve to this one but once you figure out how to set the skew on the iron and use it it's a time saver.

In my door box I also have a Lie Nielson butt plane and a Veritas version of a 171 small router plane for screwing with hardware.

If you get into planes you are going to need a means to sharpen them and learn how to do it otherwise they will just end up as cool looking paper weights.
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And what means is that Justin? I'm following all this because I have never used a plane.

I was gonna email you and ask you how you sharpen them, but then no one else would benefit from it.
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He hand hones and polishes his irons, never lets them get bad enough to use a grinder. I'd say he's kinda anal, but the kinda would be incorrect.

All of his cutting tools are scary sharp, which makes them very safe.

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I've never sharpened anything I own really. Sent saw blades to be sharpened.

Just got some nicer chisels and need to learn how to sharpen them.
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I've never sharpened anything I own really. Sent saw blades to be sharpened.

Just got some nicer chisels and need to learn how to sharpen them.


The DVD is about an hour and fifteen minutes.

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I have no problem dropping money on tools, but for some reason I have a hard time dropping $115 for a block plane. I guess I've just never used one so I'm wondering where I'm really going to use one.

What applications do you use a block plane in most for on site finish carpentry?
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And what means is that Justin? I'm following all this because I have never used a plane.

I was gonna email you and ask you how you sharpen them, but then no one else would benefit from it.
You're gonna start a fight with that question

For the first grind on a chisel or iron I hollow grind it on a low speed wet grinder. I used to use a regular bench grinder but it's too easy to over heat and burn the edge. If you see a purple/black scorch mark you've just screwed up the temper and it won't hold an edge right. I then use a double sided Jap stone to flatten the back and hone the cutting edge. I used to do this freehand but recently purchased a Veritas honing guide to make it a bit easier and faster. I then go to a leather and plywood strop charged with stropping compound to polish the edge and back to a mirror finish. When I'm done I can shave with it without pulling hair. There are other techniques but I like these.

Unless I truly screw the edge I don't go back the grinder just the stone and strop on nicer tools. Tom's right the sharper the tool the safer it is. The only time I've ever sliced myself up is when something was dull.

What chisels did you get?
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I have no problem dropping money on tools, but for some reason I have a hard time dropping $115 for a block plane. I guess I've just never used one so I'm wondering where I'm really going to use one.

What applications do you use a block plane in most for on site finish carpentry?
The other day I had to back plane miters to get the joints to fit. They were cut on an out of calibration (not mine, not by me) miter saw, only pieces left so they had to be fitted.

Back side of baseboard on out side corners at times. Back planing an edge to get a good show side........

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