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Old 12-16-2016, 09:05 PM   #1
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Does anyone have a better alternative to these? They only last for about 10-20 doors and just feel very cheaply made. They are cheap enough to buy another every few jobs or so. I would just like to see if there is a professional grade one out there.



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Old 12-16-2016, 09:40 PM   #2
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If you are looking to buy Templaco has a template for almost any piece of hardware that a carpenter might need to install. http://www.templaco.com/index.asp

I used their stuff for years and after I nicked them up and repaired them enough times that there was more epoxy than plywood left I started making my own. I prefer mine to theirs for the most part because I make mine exact size and use a pattern bit which simplifies the layout.
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If you are looking to buy Templaco has a template for almost any piece of hardware that a carpenter might need to install. http://www.templaco.com/index.asp

I used their stuff for years and after I nicked them up and repaired them enough times that there was more epoxy than plywood left I started making my own. I prefer mine to theirs for the most part because I make mine exact size and use a pattern bit which simplifies the layout.
When I'm building doors I put a piece of wood on the backside of a template for the jamb mortises, makes life a lot easier. The whole thing about making your own jigs is it's already modified for your exact application. Not sure how many I have but there's a bunch.
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I think mine was Porter Cable. Screwed together, all metal, had a nail built in at the top and bottom.

Haven't used it in so long. Wonder where it's at.
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Here it is.

http://www.cpooutlets.com/porter-cab...All%20Products

I assume we are talking about hinge mortise jigs. Honestly I've never seen a Ryobi one.
If you can do 20 doors with it, I would imagine it has paid for itself. Then again, the Porter Cable one is forever.
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I have the porter cable too. Great to have.
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i have 3..guys have given me over the years,one is the Bosch..still haven't figured out how to use them..
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I just did a couple doors with a plastic porter cable version. Bleah!

This looks interesting, don't you think?

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i really enjoy making them also . though i have bought templaco full jamb ones .i have not done as well making them .Years ago I got the idea of making hinge and mortice templates from Gary Katz book . there are so many different templates required through the years .
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When I'm building doors I put a piece of wood on the backside of a template for the jamb mortises, makes life a lot easier. The whole thing about making your own jigs is it's already modified for your exact application. Not sure how many I have but there's a bunch.
I've got crates full of them. Hard part is finding the one I actually need.

I use a couple different stop styles. For most of the single pocket stuff I use the ones left over from my old Templaco stuff. There are some like the one in the middle of the pic for the step mortise for an extension flush bolt that I use a fence on. The one on the left is for the dust box for a mortise lock strike. I have a piece of plam that I cut to fit snuggly in the hardware mortise and use it to reference the template precisely. It fastens with a couple screws that fall inside of the mortise s well. The other one is a drilling template for a Schlage AL Series commercial lockset. The big plug fits snuggly in the 2 1/8" through bore and the adjustable fence squares it to the edge of the doors so the two through holes can be accurately drilled. The full height multi pocket templates I make have a continuous stop down the middle and the can be used on either side of the stop so you never have to flip them to change handing.

For strikes I have stops on the templates but don't usually use them. I take a combination square and set it so it fits tight on the latch bolt and then scribe that offset onto the jamb. I set the strike on a square on the jamb and line the tang on the strike up with the pencil mark and then trace around the strike. The template is exact size so you just tack it on so that it crowds the marks. It is always in the right spot and you never have to screw around with the adjustable tang to get the door to hit nice and solid up against the stops the first time.
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I've got crates full of them. Hard part is finding the one I actually need.

I use a couple different stop styles. For most of the single pocket stuff I use the ones left over from my old Templaco stuff. There are some like the one in the middle of the pic for the step mortise for an extension flush bolt that I use a fence on. The one on the left is for the dust box for a mortise lock strike. I have a piece of plam that I cut to fit snuggly in the hardware mortise and use it to reference the template precisely. It fastens with a couple screws that fall inside of the mortise s well. The other one is a drilling template for a Schlage AL Series commercial lockset. The big plug fits snuggly in the 2 1/8" through bore and the adjustable fence squares it to the edge of the doors so the two through holes can be accurately drilled. The full height multi pocket templates I make have a continuous stop down the middle and the can be used on either side of the stop so you never have to flip them to change handing.

For strikes I have stops on the templates but don't usually use them. I take a combination square and set it so it fits tight on the latch bolt and then scribe that offset onto the jamb. I set the strike on a square on the jamb and line the tang on the strike up with the pencil mark and then trace around the strike. The template is exact size so you just tack it on so that it crowds the marks. It is always in the right spot and you never have to screw around with the adjustable tang to get the door to hit nice and solid up against the stops the first time.
Do you have a jig for mortise locks?
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I've got crates full of them. Hard part is finding the one I actually need.

I use a couple different stop styles. For most of the single pocket stuff I use the ones left over from my old Templaco stuff. There are some like the one in the middle of the pic for the step mortise for an extension flush bolt that I use a fence on. The one on the left is for the dust box for a mortise lock strike. I have a piece of plam that I cut to fit snuggly in the hardware mortise and use it to reference the template precisely. It fastens with a couple screws that fall inside of the mortise s well. The other one is a drilling template for a Schlage AL Series commercial lockset. The big plug fits snuggly in the 2 1/8" through bore and the adjustable fence squares it to the edge of the doors so the two through holes can be accurately drilled. The full height multi pocket templates I make have a continuous stop down the middle and the can be used on either side of the stop so you never have to flip them to change handing.

For strikes I have stops on the templates but don't usually use them. I take a combination square and set it so it fits tight on the latch bolt and then scribe that offset onto the jamb. I set the strike on a square on the jamb and line the tang on the strike up with the pencil mark and then trace around the strike. The template is exact size so you just tack it on so that it crowds the marks. It is always in the right spot and you never have to screw around with the adjustable tang to get the door to hit nice and solid up against the stops the first time.
love your selection .I bought a bunch of templaco pins to hold them in place .on the ones you do not have pins are you clamping them? sometimes pictures are just not enough ,i would like to see your tricks in use/action
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Do you have a jig for mortise locks?
I usually get them with the pocket prepped so I am left dealing with face plate mortises and function holes for which I have templates. The couple I cut a year are usually done by chain drilling with the edge spade on my lock jig with the appropriate sized tip. The next time it comes up I'll probably score one of these or look for a used Porter Cable door eater. http://shop.justdoortoolz.com/produc...4&categoryId=6
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love your selection .I bought a bunch of templaco pins to hold them in place .on the ones you do not have pins are you clamping them? sometimes pictures are just not enough ,i would like to see your tricks in use/action
Usually a couple clamps. I like either the Bessey Klik Clamps or self adjusting vise grips with the flat pads because neither style will vibrate loose when running a drill or router. The pins work pretty well for most things.
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If you are looking to buy Templaco has a template for almost any piece of hardware that a carpenter might need to install. http://www.templaco.com/index.asp



I used their stuff for years and after I nicked them up and repaired them enough times that there was more epoxy than plywood left I started making my own. I prefer mine to theirs for the most part because I make mine exact size and use a pattern bit which simplifies the layout.


Templaco here as well as the Bore Master jig set.
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I usually get them with the pocket prepped so I am left dealing with face plate mortises and function holes for which I have templates. The couple I cut a year are usually done by chain drilling with the edge spade on my lock jig with the appropriate sized tip. The next time it comes up I'll probably score one of these or look for a used Porter Cable door eater. http://shop.justdoortoolz.com/produc...4&categoryId=6
I thought that one looked a little hokey.

I was eyeing something like this:

http://virutex.com/lockmortiserfc16s-2-1.aspx



Mafell has a beast but it's only 230V



Any who it's worthless to me at the moment but I had a 30 door job a last year but I passed it off to another company, never know when another one can pop up.
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I've got crates full of them. Hard part is finding the one I actually need.

I use a couple different stop styles. For most of the single pocket stuff I use the ones left over from my old Templaco stuff. There are some like the one in the middle of the pic for the step mortise for an extension flush bolt that I use a fence on. The one on the left is for the dust box for a mortise lock strike. I have a piece of plam that I cut to fit snuggly in the hardware mortise and use it to reference the template precisely. It fastens with a couple screws that fall inside of the mortise s well. The other one is a drilling template for a Schlage AL Series commercial lockset. The big plug fits snuggly in the 2 1/8" through bore and the adjustable fence squares it to the edge of the doors so the two through holes can be accurately drilled. The full height multi pocket templates I make have a continuous stop down the middle and the can be used on either side of the stop so you never have to flip them to change handing.

For strikes I have stops on the templates but don't usually use them. I take a combination square and set it so it fits tight on the latch bolt and then scribe that offset onto the jamb. I set the strike on a square on the jamb and line the tang on the strike up with the pencil mark and then trace around the strike. The template is exact size so you just tack it on so that it crowds the marks. It is always in the right spot and you never have to screw around with the adjustable tang to get the door to hit nice and solid up against the stops the first time.
I really wish you would write a book or start a youtube channel. You always seem to have good ideas and methods.
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I really wish you would write a book or start a youtube channel. You always seem to have good ideas and methods.
His name should be Jigmaster.
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I use the plastic portercable one. Used it on 5 doors yesterday afternoon. I find it ok but nothing spectacular. Would look for something better if I did doors everday

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