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Old 11-10-2013, 10:51 PM   #21
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Maybe I read it wrong but I didn't find anything on the HD/Ridgid site that indicates that they offer a lifetime warranty on batteries. If they did, I would go tomorrow and buy and impact driver/drill kit.

Do you know something I don't know or couldn't find?
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Thanks. That is a great policy.


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My charges keep breaking. 2 of them this year. And both of them aren't even a year old. They just won't charge. The green light comes on after like 2 mins like it's charged, but its not.
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My charges keep breaking. 2 of them this year. And both of them aren't even a year old. They just won't charge. The green light comes on after like 2 mins like it's charged, but its not.
That's odd, I've never had an issue with the Makita chargers and we've got 10 of them.

Regarding the ridgid tools... even with the battery replacement they ain't worth it. I've had them in the past and hated them. Although with the way my employees abuse tools I should probably switch over to the ridgid for them.
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That's odd, I've never had an issue with the Makita chargers and we've got 10 of them.

Regarding the ridgid tools... even with the battery replacement they ain't worth it. I've had them in the past and hated them. Although with the way my employees abuse tools I should probably switch over to the ridgid for them.
I have 2 older ones 4 or 5 years and they still work fine. Just not the 2 newer ones
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I have 2 older ones 4 or 5 years and they still work fine. Just not the 2 newer ones
Are your new ones the black ones? I haven't really used the black one much.
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Are your new ones the black ones? I haven't really used the black one much.
The black charger I have isn't the same as my teal ones. It's slightly smaller and is a 30/60 minute charger versus 15/30 minutes. It also doesn't have the built in fan and it doesn't sing me a song when it's done either. I got it during the x-mas sale at HD. I got the white 1/2" drill, one 1.5 battery and the black charger for $100.
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I have a teal charger and 2 generic 4.5ah batteries. One of the two is 7 months old and the other is a month old. every once in a while the charger will give me the yellow light and I just re-seat the pack and it charges fine. When the packs are too cold I put them in front of a heater. These last all day, definitely longer than my buddies new genuine makita 3ah batteries. They have a lot more torque when drilling, presumably because there are 3 sets of cells and can deliver more current.

I use them in a standard white drill, a rotary impact, and a nicd hammer function drill with a "liondapter". The nicd drill draws a lot more current than lithium tools. This is the concept behind makitas "star protection". Certain tools draw a lot of current and could harm certain batteries they cell. Many of the 3ah batteries they make are only marginally larger than the 1.5ah batteries and only work with "star" tools. Since battery capacity is dependent upon discharge rate I would guess these cells can not support the higher rates of discharge without damage or yielding less power. The "star protection" is really just winding the motor to a higher resistance which limits the amount of current that can pass through.

My co-workers joke that my generic batteries are car batteries because of their size. They are about the same size as a dewalt nicd. Comparing them to the 1.5ah makitas it is easy to see they have cells that are 3 times the size. You get what you pay for. I paid 37$ for each of mine. they have since risen to 45$ a piece. I believe with makita you pay for the brand. There are only 3 factories in the world making these cells so it's not like any joe schmoe is pumping out crap and claiming it's gold.

For 45$ including shipping I think it's worth a shot to try the generics. I have been using them long enough that I am confident in them. To me the upside is that it won't brick itself because it is standard lithium cell protection and no makita proprietary circuitry. They have them on amazon as well for a couple bucks more.

Seller I bought my batteries from:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/361019269115...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

The adapter for nicd tools:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/111475624873...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

With my nicd drill, adapter, and one of these, I damn near sprained my wrist. Working in an old house I went to drill a half inch hole in what I thought was 3/4" flooring. Turned out to be 3" thick! When the drill caught it slammed my wrist into a door. These batteries certainly have all the power they claim. I hope to get at least 2 years out of each of them.
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Who the hell is still using nicd's? I stopped using them 10 years ago.

Ok so I read it again. Your using adapters to run the nicd drills on lI-ion packs.

Why not just buy some new tools and run OEM packs. Them old nicd tools ain't worth a dam compared to all these new brushless setups.
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I've had my makita cordless about 8 years. I've had 2 batteries go in that 8 years. I've stored them once for 6 months and used them 5 days a week for 3/4 of the time I've owned them. I've charged them in -30C to +30C, left them out in my truck and the only time they give me grief is if they are allowed to freeze they seem to loose some of their charge. My teal charger's fan screams like a banshee but has for years. I've had 2 bad batteries, one under warranty and one at something over 500 charges. I've been nice to them and hard on them.

As for brushless, they were late to the game on the drill. But, I think they have 2 nice ones out now.
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I've had my makita cordless about 8 years. I've had 2 batteries go in that 8 years. I've stored them once for 6 months and used them 5 days a week for 3/4 of the time I've owned them. I've charged them in -30C to +30C, left them out in my truck and the only time they give me grief is if they are allowed to freeze they seem to loose some of their charge. My teal charger's fan screams like a banshee but has for years. I've had 2 bad batteries, one under warranty and one at something over 500 charges. I've been nice to them and hard on them.



As for brushless, they were late to the game on the drill. But, I think they have 2 nice ones out now.

Yeah makita messed up in the brushless game. They brought out the LXT range super early compared to others and have got a unreal range that runs on that pack but they were slow to the brushless game.

They also had a bad battery design with the 3AH pack but I'm guessing that was on purpose as they have prob sold a bunch of packs which is where they make their money.

Your packs being cold is better for them when holding a charge. The down side is you won't get full output from them when they cold until they warmed up.
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Who the hell is still using nicd's? I stopped using them 10 years ago.

Ok so I read it again. Your using adapters to run the nicd drills on lI-ion packs.

Why not just buy some new tools and run OEM packs. Them old nicd tools ain't worth a dam compared to all these new brushless setups.



Hey!!! I am!

I run my tools 'til their death and my old Makita 18v won't die no matter what I put them through.
That's why I have been buying Makita cordless since 1983.
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"Why not just buy some new tools and run OEM packs. Them old nicd tools ain't worth a dam compared to all these new brushless setups."

The nicd tools are actually a cut above the lion tools. The nicd tools weren't worth a damn, when used with nicds. Lion batteries put out much more current.

I would reckon this was one of the reasons makita had so many battery issues, especially with the 3ah batteries. I am sure that before makita started producing lion tools they made sure that the batteries would be able to handle the tough use. Their cautiousness is shown in the late release of brushless tools. Obviously the 3ah batteries were made from a different design of cell, hence the higher power to weight ratio over the 1.5ah batteries.The 3ah packs were probably released to fill the consumers want of larger capacity packs. Although better cells are available that could have that capacity and be just as light makita went with inferior cells knowing that they needed to appease the consumer while at the same time not wanting to spend the extra cash. This corresponds with a move to manufacturing in china, part of why the nicd tools are better, mad in japan. When the tools with the old design of motor, a design that probably remained virtually unchanged from the nicd era, was drawing too much current for the lion cells they developed "star protection". "Star protection" is really just motors with a higher internal resistance and chargers with relaxed rates of current which is why the black chargers take longer.

The nicd tools are worth quite a bit. I have one nicd tool currently that I use an adapter on. It is much better than any lithium drill I have used when itself is used with my generic "car battery" lithiums. It was practically brand new when it was given to me, the nicd packs with it were dead, barely used. Well worth the 36$ for the adapter.
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I have a corded black and decker drill with a metal gearbox and hardened steel gears. It was my fathers and has to be about 30-40 years old. I dis-assembled it to regrease it and I almost didn't. the grease looked great and the gears were still super sharp. I know how much i used in the ten years prior and am sure my father used it a lot too. only spun at 800 rpm and when it caught you let go quick, I got my wrist twisted from it once. Some things really aren't as good as they used to be, it's a shame.
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Who the hell is still using nicd's? I stopped using them 10 years ago.

Ok so I read it again. Your using adapters to run the nicd drills on lI-ion packs.

Why not just buy some new tools and run OEM packs. Them old nicd tools ain't worth a dam compared to all these new brushless setups.
I've got several Bosch ni-cd powered tools from 15 years ago, and the batteries still work, not 100% capacity of course, but they work. Ni-cd batteries take a lot more heavy abuse than LiIon.
The Makita Ni-Mh batteries I had were junk.
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Yeah nimh batteries dont discharge or charge as quickly as nicds. the memory affect with nicds was terrible, nimh batteries are less susceptible to this and for a while they were preffered over nicds. when this issue with nicds was fixed they came back into use.
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It's not that lI-ion is not as heavy duty because they are. They can put out vastly more current and be charged vastly quicker too.

The issue is they have something called a cutoff voltage so if you leave the battery dead and don't charge it for a few months it could drop below this voltage and cell polarity can reverse. Which is not good when it gets back on the charger.

What will be great is when we start seeing Li-Po packs in tools. The capacity of them things and their discharge and charge rates are unreal.

I'm sure it's only gonna be a couple years before we start seeing them used. That will take cordless tools to a whole other level.
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All rechargeable batteries can reverse polarity if they get too low. Lithium ions just like any other type come in different qualities and with different chemistries. Obviously the 3ah batteries aren't the same kind as the 1.5ah. I don't think I said they aren't heavy duty but they are more fragile than the other types.

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All rechargeable batteries can reverse polarity if they get too low. Lithium ions just like any other type come in different qualities and with different chemistries. Obviously the 3ah batteries aren't the same kind as the 1.5ah. I don't think I said they aren't heavy duty but they are more fragile than the other types.

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/a...ased_batteries

Yes they can reverse but it's not a problem in other chemistry packs as they will right them self and reverse voltage happens at way lower voltage to where as lI-ion has a safety cut of of about 3.2-3.6v if I remember correctly.

Also the cells are exactly the same I'm the 3.0ah and 1.5hr packs. There's just less of them in there.
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Yes they can reverse but it's not a problem in other chemistry packs as they will right them self and reverse voltage happens at way lower voltage to where as lI-ion has a safety cut of of about 3.2-3.6v if I remember correctly.

Also the cells are exactly the same I'm the 3.0ah and 1.5hr packs. There's just less of them in there.
It is a problem in other types. What I have seen on both sizes of packs tells me they are not the same cells. The underlying chemistry may be the same but that doesn't mean the construction is exactly the same.

The main issue, to get back to the thread topic, is really that the control board on makita packs only draws from one cell. This can cause the cells to have different voltages and the charger bricks it because this can be dangerous. The "star protection" is annoying but understandable.

I am going to stick with my big generics unless they show me they aren't reliable. The same goes for my nicd tools too.

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