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Old 10-26-2012, 01:48 PM   #1
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Poor Framing/concrete Pad Work From Contractor


I hired a licensed contractor to pour 3 concrete pads that would hold columns and a 6x6 beam in the basement for added support. I ended up digging down about 3.5 feet and he was supposed to fill it with concrete. I get there and all he poured was 8-12" right into the hole without rebar and/or any wood to form it. The columns are now placed into a hole 2.5 feet deep holding the beams. The beams are not even fastened to the columns they are just sitting on top of them. The joists that were sistered do not go the full length from beam to beam. He didnt use any kind of lag or carriage bolt to support the joists that were sistered. He used a mid sized decking screw. Now he wants to get paid but I think he needs to get this thing right. What should I do?
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:52 PM   #2
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You should show him the spec in the plan you provided and the scope of work in his contract and tell him to do it that way

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Old 10-26-2012, 03:29 PM   #3
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Ugh.

Looks like a rehabbing job all right.

Did you dig the holes wide enough for him to form and strip?

What does the engineered permit drawings call out?
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There was no specs or drawings. This is a support wall being added to support the floor above which was sagging. Also some of the joists were bad so they were sistered. The problem here is that this does not conform to building codes. If you sister a joist it has to go from beam to beam you cant stop halfway. Correct me if I am wrong. Also the column is just sitting in the hole with only about 8" of concrete on the bottom. I was looking for feedback.
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If it doesn't meet code or pass inspection you may have some recourse. I believe you are correct that a sistered joist must run bearing support to bearing support, at minimum I would do that way. As for the footing, without knowing what your code allows for and all the associated loads it carries no one can answer that question.

So, the feedback stays the same, what's the spec and what's the scope of work. I know you don't have one, that's the problem. Now you have a he said, she said going on. Ah, the value of a contract whether it be a $ 100.00 job or a $ 1,000,000.00 job, it serves the same purpose and a properly written spec.

I'm not saying just you are wrong, your both wrong, you should have given him a spec, failing that he should have requested one, and it should have been a schedule in the contract. It's amazing how a little job becomes a problem.

Now to help you out, I would call the guy up and ask him how he arrived at the footing that he did and the joist repair. If he knows he did a short cut you may either get him to fix it or get a rebate on his bill and then redo it yourself, chances are he's not coming back to do it the way you want or think it should be done, he's made that evident by the looks of it.
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Why was the hole dug 3.5' deep? How wide the the "footing"? Were there some plans or just guesses/ideas?

For a 6"x6" post with decent soil, there does not need to be reinforcement in the small footing since the load from the post is distributed to the soil at a 45 degree angle Only shear in the concrete and no flexure. An overly wide footing could require some reinforcement.

The screws may or may not have been right depending on the loads to the joists and "posts".

It sounds like a "seat of the pants design" that may even end up being better(or worse) than what was really needed. when you try to be the designer and "general contractor" and hire subcontractors for parts of a job, the only one liable is the "general contractor".
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First of all, don't pay this guy until this is done the right way.

Second of all, this is a structural repair and permit should have been filed and job should be inspected... not to mention there should be architectural detail drawing.

Third of all, each time I look at this picture it makes me wanna laugh, because there is some idiots out there who have no clue what they doing...
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by sistering the joists the way he did, he provided a deflection rating of whatever a 2x8, which the shear strength of a 2x6.
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by sistering the joists the way he did, he provided a deflection rating of whatever a 2x8, which the shear strength of a 2x6.
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"He provided a deflection rating of whatever a 2x8, which the shear strength of a 2x6"

I do not understand this sentence. Can you please explain a little better?
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"He provided a deflection rating of whatever a 2x8, which the shear strength of a 2x6"

I do not understand this sentence. Can you please explain a little better?
by sistering the middle portion, its like the joist is a 2x8..
but since this 2x8 is not bearing at the plate, u still have the strength of a 2x6 bearing, and if the weight is great enough it could potentially shear or snap off at the plate
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