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I don't like dropped trusses
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I don't like dropped trusses

Personal preference? Or is there another reason? We always use them, or cut in for rafters
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I generally build "boxes" for my gable ends on the ground and put the soffit material on them first (unless it's vinyl) and then hang them, and cut in lookouts. Comes from the old production days, but I really dislike running gable soffit in place and dislike not having a gable rafter for sheeting. I'm just funny that way.
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Like your idea. But how does the rafter tail work if it's dropped?
First lookout at first sheathing joint, so 4' up. Than you have a 2x cut at 45 1/2" to the short (depending on slope) from lookout to fascia.
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We are almost 90% trusses in my area. I have always cut in lookouts or ordered a drop gable. I prefer to cut in the lookouts 2' o.c. We use a 2x4 on the flat. Lots of other "builders" in my area let the sheathing overhang 12" and just nail the fly to the sheathing...
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Why not order the gable truss dropped 3 1/2" or even 5 1/2" and run lookouts on edge. We've done some OH's around 4' where we would have the gable and the first truss dropped so the lookout goes back 47 1/4". Don't more people work this way?


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Framer most of us do that. But Warner is right, on 12' or less overhang a ladder is fine.

Built lots of houses that way and have yet to see any dropping.

One of you needs to change your name. your confusing the chit out of me.
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One of you needs to change your name. your confusing the chit out of me.
It took me a omen to figure out why they kept talking to them self and answering their own questions. Lol
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We hand cut 95% of our roofs and all gables have outriggers
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Most of what we do is trussed so a drop gable with lookouts or ladders to first truss in.

The fact roofs I have cut I put the the lookout/outrigger 24" o/c. Or the ridge board will pick up the top and sub fascia on the eaves.


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I just let my framer do it the way he wanted for many years (admittedly because I didn't know any better) but about 10 years ago I started requiring outriggers on any gable even it was just 8". I don't care what anyone says, without them they will droop. Maybe not much if they're only 8"-10" but they will droop. Here is the drawing I have in my framing contract for outrigger construction. Most will say it's overkill, but one bad experience changed the way I look at gable overhangs.
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I just let my framer do it the way he wanted for many years (admittedly because I didn't know any better) but about 10 years ago I started requiring outriggers on any gable even it was just 8". I don't care what anyone says, without them they will droop. Maybe not much if they're only 8"-10" but they will droop. Here is the drawing I have in my framing contract for outrigger construction. Most will say it's overkill, but one bad experience changed the way I look at gable overhangs.

A lot of you guys know I was primarily a roofer for a while. I've done hundreds of re-roofs with houses that have "ladders". They are definitely inferior. The worst ones are when they don't even sheet them with the roof. I can't believe people even do that
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I'm thinking "Things I learned the hard way" would make a good thread.
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If you have drooping, your not framing them right. Any one piece 2x6 fascia of 12" or less is not getting outriggers by me. If it is secured at the top, and tied in properly at the horizontal fascia, the only way it can droop is if the 2x6 decides to bow.

So you guys even do outriggers on a 4" overhang? I like to do things nice, but at the end of the day, adding outriggers, especially on the steep roofs I do adds to the labor and what it adds to the structure is minimal.
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I agree with Warren. That's how we do ours also
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I built 18" ladders for my own gables,no out looks,still looks good after 15 years,tons of snow,and these are 20' runs.
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I've never done one less than 8", so I can't say anything about 4". The rough fascia has always been 2x4 (with various finish fascia anything from 7/16 Hardie to 1x6 rough spruce or 1x6 Hardie) but I don't think I've ever seen one bow up, so I don't think the rough fascia bowing is the issue.

The repairs I've done (with tight fitting blocks and long carriage bolts) seem to be holding up very well. I just can't see nails driven into the end grain of blocks on a ladder structure having much holding power. It seems to me that the strength of such an assembly comes from the decking and the shear strength of the nails securing the decking to the rafters.
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I built 18" ladders for my own gables,no out looks,still looks good after 15 years,tons of snow,and these are 20' runs.
Do you remember what fasteners you used? Both for framing the ladder and applying the decking material? What decking material did you use?
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As far as the OP's picture,I can see his concern since the quality of that framing seems sub-par.Looks like they framed up the gable studs long,and hacked them off with a sawzall.
I'd also like to see how the dormer wall is supported too,since it looks like its sitting on a 2x8 flat over a single rafter.
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Do you remember what fasteners you used? Both for framing the ladder and applying the decking material? What decking material did you use?
We used 3 1/4 framing nails,shot with a nail gun.Just took our time to make sure all cuts were square and joints were tight.Using straight,long stock helps too,crowns up where needed.
Ring shank 8's shot through 1/2" plywood(5ply) decking hold them in place.

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