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Old 02-09-2015, 04:26 PM   #1
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Outriggers? Outriggers? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Outriggers.


Well, maybe one will do.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:27 PM   #2
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Re: Outriggers? Outriggers? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Outriggers.


I know nothing about roofs. What's a outrigger?

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I'm marked the one outrigger they put in. I use a 2x6 every 2' and block both sides between the end rafter and the fly rafter and a 2x4 under the outrigger in the support bay for any overhangs more than 8" up to 20".
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Technically they should have broke the fly rafter on the outrigger..but I'm gonna shut up. Not every framing crew is as tight as I'd like.
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I'm marked the one outrigger they put in. I use a 2x6 every 2' and block both sides between the end rafter and the fly rafter and a 2x4 under the outrigger in the support bay for any overhangs more than 8" up to 20".



Ok that makes sense now. So it's ok cutting the truss/rafter to run the outrigger through for the support?
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Ok that makes sense now. So it's ok cutting the truss/rafter to run the outrigger through for the support?
You're only supposed to notch the end rafter the depth of the outrigger (also called lookout or outlooker by some). That rafter isn't compromized because you have rake studs supporting it.

Here is a picture of what happens if the fly rafter isn't supported properly. It is very common to just build a "ladder".

Note the gradual dip at the lower end. The main ridge keeps it from dipping at the top. This is on a 12" overhang.
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I don't do outriggers on anything less than 12" Plenty of tight blocking, and your fine.
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I've heard the outriggers referred to as "look outs" either way I love it when a home owner calls and points out how the gable ends are drooping and how cheap it would be to fix it......lol

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I don't do outriggers on anything less than 12" Plenty of tight blocking, and you're fine.
Perhaps on less that 12" you can get by. The problem (as I see it) is getting the blocking "tight". I watched these guys for a bit cutting the blocks freehand (not even using a speed square as a guide). They seemed only intent on having something there with no regard for a tight square fit or any understanding of what "tight" meant.

The problem I have with blocking alone is that you are depending on a connection that is an end-nailed one. Those simply pull out too easily.
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I've heard the outriggers referred to as "look outs" either way I love it when a home owner calls and points out how the gable ends are drooping and how cheap it would be to fix it......lol
It's a real bitch even if you don't have to remove the roofing and decking. I've fixed some by removing the soffit and finish fascia, inserting some tight fitting blocking and running long carriage bolts through the fly rafter and end rafter. This requires someone getting in the attic to install the washer and nut and tighten the nut. This is a good spot for using torque washers.

I'd like to hear other fixes people have come up with.
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Why not order the gable truss dropped 3 1/2" or even 5 1/2" and run lookouts on edge. We've done some OH's around 4' where we would have the gable and the first truss dropped so the lookout goes back 47 1/4". Don't more people work this way?
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Framer most of us do that. But Warner is right, on 12' or less overhang a ladder is fine.
Built lots of houses that way and have yet to see any dropping.
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Why not order the gable truss dropped 3 1/2" or even 5 1/2" and run lookouts on edge. We've done some OH's around 4' where we would have the gable and the first truss dropped so the lookout goes back 47 1/4". Don't more people work this way?

That's a stick built roof for one. I never liked putting my last rafter on the inside of the wall and gable studs outside it. I like having lots to nail my "box" to. He's also got a solid 2x under the tail and his ridge run all the way out. He'll prolly have subfascia for help, too. And, if he does it like me, there will be one or two more that he cuts in as he sheets his way up.
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Don't think he builds like you, a lot of shoddy work going on there
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... And, if he does it like me, there will be one or two more that he cuts in as he sheets his way up.
I can assure you that isn't going to happen on this one. He may get some help with the ornamental support at the tail, but I'm betting these guys would have done it the same way without the ornamental bracket.
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We've always run them at 4 feet up the gable end. I thought that was standard practice every where. Doesn't matter if it is a 6 inch over hang or a 2 foot one.
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Most here do a ladder for 12" then use dropped ends for anything wider, but then do 24 " spacing on the 2x outriggers.
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Like your idea. But how does the rafter tail work if it's dropped?
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Like your idea. But how does the rafter tail work if it's dropped?

It just stops at the wall. No tail
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I've never actually seen a gable truss like this, but I guess they are an option. Outriggers? Outriggers? We don't need no stinkin' outriggers.-imageuploadedbycontractortalk1423599496.379341.jpg

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