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Old 10-26-2016, 05:46 PM   #1
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So the Archie didn't really design a way to get down from the back of the house into the back yard.

If I flash the rim board, can I backfill up above the foundation line and pour a slab within an inch of where the door will be? (On top of the floor) Or do I have to attach a treated wood deck/step here to get down to grade?

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Old 10-26-2016, 07:45 PM   #2
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a deck step would be my first way to deal with it. check with the building inspector

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Concrete step?


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If I flash the rim board, can I backfill up above the foundation line and pour a slab within an inch of where the door will be?
Flashing protects against water coming down from above. Doesn't do diddly to prevent capillary or other seepage from dirt above its lower edge.

You need a step or two.
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Right. Say I flashed all the way from the floor over the foundation by 4" and glued it on there real good. Could I backfill 6" or so and pour a deck up against the flashing close to the top of the floor? Owner want's to do concrete if at all possible and would like to do it without a couple of steps.
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Any sealant you try may work. For a while. But ultimately it will fail.

You need a way for gravity to do its thing and keep moisture from pouring itself into any wood, or sneaking its way up by capillary action. To put fill within 1" [height] of the threshold in that scenario, you'd have to have a gap that drains to below the level of the concrete--and won't get gunked up over time.

Gotta say, it blows my mind that anyone in Colorado would even consider a threshold at ground level.
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Yeah... guess I'm just a little grumpy at myself for not catching it earlier... Would've been easy to step the wall up a foot and hang the joists at the door... then pour the slab back to the wall.
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Guys here flash and pour to threshold so no steps all the time. Not a big fan of doing it that way myself. Do it to make them more or less handicap accessible. And yes we get a lot of snow too.
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Builder should have seen that coming and poured a section of wall up higher so that with a mudsill on it top of mudsill was equal to top of floor joists. That way you could do masonry right up tight.

But you don't and you should build a small set of steps just as you would a deck. Deck ledger, spaced away from the rim, I like Dek2Ledgers, all the flashing, counterflashing, etc. And then you need to figure what those steps will bear upon at grade.

Anything tight to the wall will cause the ledger to turn to mush, and whatever it is will have to be demo'd away in order to replace the rim and sheathing.
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The entire foundation should have been higher. By the time you pur finish grade and topsoil, there will be nothing left between the mudsill and the grade, and you need a minimum of 6" separation if I'm not mistaken.
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6" for siding, more for the actual framing
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6" for siding, more for the actual framing
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