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Old 05-27-2015, 10:23 AM   #1
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Wrapping Brick Moulding/jamb In One Piece


I'm sure it's possible. I'm doing it. I just can't do it without a little bit of tweaking by hand. The problem is the 1/2" bend where the brick meets the jamb and 1/2" of the jamb is visible.

I start on the outside edge at 1", then use a roller for the profile, and so on till I get to the 1/2" bend. But the piece stops at 3/4" in and can't go to 1/2".

My method is to leave the last bend angled a bit which lets me slide the piece in farther but then the only way to finish the angled bend is by hand.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Wrapping Brick Moulding/jamb In One Piece


Have you considered making the 1/2" bend first? You may have to adjust the pressure clamp to get it to hold. I don't use a roller so the leg would not be an issue for me.

A set of hemming/seeming bars would work also.

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I haven't tried the 1/2" first. I use a roller because I don't do this often enough and the roller gives nice consistent results.

I will try on some scrap and see if I can work it backwards but the leg may have to be done first.
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Trick for bending 1/2" or even a 1/4" bend is pretty simple.
Just make the first bend at a 45*,flip stock,and metal will
slide in close enough to get it to the 1/2" width.Bend this
at a 45* also then flip again,get first 45*to a 90*,flip and
finish.
By not setting the first bend at 90*,you'll be able to get past
the edge of the hinged section of the brake.

If you have to make a 1/2" J section you can put metal scraps,
extending past the lip of your first 90* bend,set your stock at 1/2",
and the scraps will hold your stock in place.

Hard to explain,but it works good once you've done it a couple times.
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this is what John is saying,do partial bends so when you flip the coil over you can lock it in the brake,then go back and complete the bends
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Thanks John for the description and Tom for the pictures. I tried a little free hand bending today and that worked better than using the roller for the profile part.

The roller works well if you're ok with two pieces but it doesn't look like I can do it with one piece. I'll use some of these techniques and try again tomorrow.
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Those 1/2" bends are tricky for that and it reminds me of wrapping around exterior wood stops left in place on one piece brick mold window casing wraps. The Pro's nailed with their description and pictures. I wish that I would have had seasoned guys like that to learn from in my early days. Having to figure the brake bends out by trail and error sure burnt some of brain cells over the years.

Going partial bends with just 45 and flipping is how I do it.
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Well this is what I got with starting in the middle at the 1/2" bend and ditching the roller.

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You can do the roller first without the leg that slips in. Just move the dies out and bend the leg after your 1/2" bend. You will get the hang of keeping it in the roller without the leg.
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very rare i do a 1 pc full door wrap anymore if i wrap them at all,2 pc give you more flexibility at install and it's easier to replace damaged sections should the need arise
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very rare i do a 1 pc full door wrap anymore if i wrap them at all,2 pc give you more flexibility at install and it's easier to replace damaged sections should the need arise

But then you get into the issue of nailing it. I hate nailing aluminum. Maybe I don't know what I'm doing but I get pieces that look nice and then take a nail to them and they look awful.

I'll take a picture tomorrow of a piece I made that looks terrible now. I have a way I'm going to try and fix it, but anyway...

Doing the one piece it just about doesn't need nails by the time you get it on. I really don't like the nails on the jamb face as it tends to make the piece not look as good.

All that said, I respect your siding/aluminum advice a great deal and would love to hear more on your preference of 2 piece wraps and why they are easier.
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i respect you too and understand the nail thing
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I'm also not very experienced so I suffer from lack of knowing the best practices.

That's why I respect you. You seem to have all that figured out and give great advice.
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Like Tom I do all of mine in two pieces. Alot of the doors jambs anymore seem to be less then 1/2 ". I have at times I have used silicone caulk to glue them to the jambs , which so far seems to have held up. One thing that seems to help , at lease for me, is to not set the nail with a hammer but rather use a nail set or such to do it, I use a old door hinge pin. also I don't use the painted trim nails with the waffle head, use a # 3 and will even clip the head some too and use touchup paint.
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What's the difference in hitting it with a hammer and hitting a nail set with a hammer that's hitting the nail?
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I'm also not very experienced so I suffer from lack of knowing the best practices.

That's why I respect you. You seem to have all that figured out and give great advice.
experience is all it is and i have nothing figured out..every job is a little different with different problems,if i'm good at anything it's how to fix my own screwups

like i said the 2 pc gives a little more flexibility,remember no piece of wood trim is as straight as the brake,also .019 coil is pretty flimsy stuff,you may find even tho the edges are nailed the center may tend to ''puff''out

go to a siding supplier and pick up a trim nail punch..it's under 10 bucks and will become your best friend
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Use an awl to make a hole for the nail. Do not set the nail tight.

One other thing------ stainless steel trim nails.

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This may be stating the obvious and make me look stupid...
I have always been a fan of locating the nails in the inside corners of the bent coil.
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Use an awl to make a hole for the nail. Do not set the nail tight.

One other thing------ stainless steel trim nails.

Tom

An awl that's bigger than the nail so the aluminum is loose?

Are they painted SS?
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This may be stating the obvious and make me look stupid...
I have always been a fan of locating the nails in the inside corners of the bent coil.
absolutely use the corners,not only to help conceal the nail but also..this is a little hard to explain but it allows the metal to ''float'',nailing in the field locks it

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