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Old 06-29-2008, 08:42 PM   #1
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Screwing Aluminum Trim To Window.


We are constantly evolving our trim system, to make it look as clean as possible. We are currently experimenting, with the following, instead of nailing through the side of our aluminum trim into the old wood trim, bending a 5/8" - 3/4" flange that comes over the face of the replacement window. We would apply a bead of silicone on the face of with window, our "flange" would then be pushed into the caulking, and we will then use small white screws to screw the trim into the window, rather than the wood trim.

Ill take some pics, we have experimented a few times and it looks very neat. Hides the caulking, and if you mess up its easier to remove a screw than a nail.
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Old 06-29-2008, 09:09 PM   #2
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I agree that it would look cleaner but wouldnt you see the head of the screw? If so the the head of the screw may collect/hold contaminates making them look even bolder. The screw would have to have a flat head too or it will dimple the metal. Just my opinion.

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I agree that it would look cleaner but wouldnt you see the head of the screw? If so the the head of the screw may collect/hold contaminates making them look even bolder. The screw would have to have a flat head too or it will dimple the metal. Just my opinion.
We have been using the really tiny screws that are provided with the windows for holding on the head expanders, which we discard anyways. The flange is bent at about 100 degrees rather than 90, so that it hugs the window, and the screw is set just enough, so there is no ripple effect.

We bend a special J channel for our siding, and our trim snaps onto the J channel. by screwing to the window, it is saving use from having to be super detailed about bumping out our trim exactly perfect.
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We have been using the really tiny screws that are provided with the windows for holding on the head expanders, which we discard anyways. The flange is bent at about 100 degrees rather than 90, so that it hugs the window, and the screw is set just enough, so there is no ripple effect.

We bend a special J channel for our siding, and our trim snaps onto the J channel. by screwing to the window, it is saving use from having to be super detailed about bumping out our trim exactly perfect.
I appreciate how fussy you are about
your install technique and finished product.
So I'm wondering if you are taking into
consideration that the screws will
corrode if they aren't aluminum or
stainless?
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I appreciate how fussy you are about
your install technique and finished product.
So I'm wondering if you are taking into
consideration that the screws will
corrode if they aren't aluminum or
stainless?
Non magnetic stainless. We are getting away from rivits, as the hole in the center sticks out too much. The screws Looks better than a rivet, and the paint holds better than a trim nail. Last week we experimented, and made the reveal between our trim and the siding 1-1/4 instead of the 3/4 we normally do, and it looked really sharp, and the neighbors and customer loved it. I will get some pics up. My final goal will be to get our trim snap so tight that ZERO fasteners will be needed. We are getting very close to that point
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Non magnetic stainless. We are getting away from rivits, as the hole in the center sticks out too much. The screws Looks better than a rivet, and the paint holds better than a trim nail. Last week we experimented, and made the reveal between our trim and the siding 1-1/4 instead of the 3/4 we normally do, and it looked really sharp, and the neighbors and customer loved it. I will get some pics up. My final goal will be to get our trim snap so tight that ZERO fasteners will be needed. We are getting very close to that point
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I use titanium kryptonite screws on my window trim those seem to work well but it raises the price per window to 14mil per window
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I use titanium kryptonite screws on my window trim those seem to work well but it raises the price per window to 14mil per window
is that for the window and trim, or just for the trim?
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Trim only baby, the window is $189 installed
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Trim only baby, the window is $189 installed
Makes sense, I usually tell people our trim is the best part of having us install their windows
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Yep we usually install a window for 189, trim is 300 bucks. Unless we use the krypton screws
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I'm really looking forward to seeing pics of your method, Patrick. No visible fasteners is something I try to achieve, but doesn't always happen. On one such occasion after wrapping a patio door without using any nails and caulking it in place with a nice straight bead of Quad, the homeowner asked me why there was no nails. You see the last installer who did the other patio door used nails to fasten their aluminum... SIGH.. Sometimes you can't win.
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That is a neat idea, especially the idea of no caulk showing.

If the window has an accessory groove you can use a pea shooter and nail the metal into the groove and tap it in with a small flat bar, a small bead of caulk will cover the nail head nicely and be barely noticable.

Another thing I have tried is to use glazing tape and bend the flange opposite of how you are doing it now and basically stick the flange to the tape, looks pretty clean if you use a nice thin tape.
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I will try to get some pictures up tomorrow. Very Clean look, the guys love it, we are also installing a lot faster too. It also makes it very easy to adjust for out of whack windows and walls as you just stretch the trim to where it needs to be and screw it.
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We have been using the really tiny screws that are provided with the windows for holding on the head expanders, which we discard anyways. The flange is bent at about 100 degrees rather than 90, so that it hugs the window, and the screw is set just enough, so there is no ripple effect.

We bend a special J channel for our siding, and our trim snaps onto the J channel. by screwing to the window, it is saving use from having to be super detailed about bumping out our trim exactly perfect.

Sounds to me to be well thought out way for detailing the window trim. I'm looking forward to seeing some pic's of your work Patrick. I know that you use either stainless steel/titanium kryptonite screws so I was just wondering if you could add a plastic snap cap onto the screw head? Just throwing out an idea of course. http://www.pro-dec.com/
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Sounds to me to be well thought out way for detailing the window trim. I'm looking forward to seeing some pic's of your work Patrick. I know that you use either stainless steel/titanium kryptonite screws so I was just wondering if you could add a plastic snap cap onto the screw head? Just throwing out an idea of course. http://www.pro-dec.com/
They really blend in, the key is to try to put the screws in the same place on every window. We are using phillips head zip screws because I found the hex head ones get torn up by the socket bit. Now I just need to find a source for buying these in bulk quantities
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They really blend in, the key is to try to put the screws in the same place on every window. We are using phillips head zip screws because I found the hex head ones get torn up by the socket bit. Now I just need to find a source for buying these in bulk quantities
I'm not sure if they carry the type of screw that you use ,but you can try http://www.boltdepot.com
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I'm not sure if they carry the type of screw that you use ,but you can try http://www.boltdepot.com
Yes they do, thanks for the link, Im on a virtual shopping trip there right now
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Screws on the exterior frame not installed by the manufacturer some times voids the waranty. On 60% of the houses we do we buy the J chanel trim installed by the window manufacturer.
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That's one hell of a statistic.

Here's how I like to do it.

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I hate inserts. I'll do them but try to stay away from window work. It's a blood bath around here.

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