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Old 01-24-2012, 12:56 AM   #21
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Well thats not the case here, if I bid on something its because it will be done correctly the first time by me or with help from a sub
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:02 AM   #22
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Please explaing to me what is so difficult about installing siding even with half a brain.
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Well thats not the case here, if I bid on something its because it will be done correctly the first time by me or with help from a sub
Just get the home owner to do it for you, he'll probably even do it cheaper than "the going rate" a sub would charge you.
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had to modify the proposal, owner decided he wanted it fastened with 1 1/4 coarse hardiback screws. It is taking forever to get it up. First we have to pilot hole, then countersink and finaly screw in flush. every 16 oc
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had to modify the proposal, owner decided he wanted it fastened with 1 1/4 coarse hardiback screws. It is taking forever to get it up. First we have to pilot hole, then countersink and finaly screw in flush. every 16 oc
I've put up miles of the stuff, no pilot holes and use self countersinking screws. No biggie This was on steel studs walls
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Old 01-24-2012, 02:48 AM   #25
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DWB the screws im using are also self countersinking but not enough to countersink flush without breaking up or deforming siding. For hardiback thats getting thinset and tiled over protruding screw head isnt a problem but for siding it needs to be flush.
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had to modify the proposal, owner decided he wanted it fastened with 1 1/4 coarse hardiback screws. It is taking forever to get it up. First we have to pilot hole, then countersink and finaly screw in flush. every 16 oc
That's whacked! Why does the HO *THINK* he wants his siding screwed up (pun very much intended) --- and why aren't you telling him NO! If you're not installing over steel studs, there's absolutely no reason to be using screws. The hardieplank will break before you'll pull out a dozen HDG nails.

I can't imagine how long it's taking you to install it that way, but I'll bet you I can nail it up at least twice as fast. Seriously -- I'm in OC and open the next couple days. Working solo, I bet I can nail up a square faster than you and a partner can drill/countersink/screw one up (actually, I think I can probably do closer to 4x as fast as the method you're describing, but I'm only willing to bet on twice as fast ). If I'm not at least twice as fast, you get a 100sf of free install. If I win, pay me what you're charging the HO for a square, and we'll see if we can't work out a deal that makes us both money and gets this house done in 2-3 days instead of two weeks.
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had to modify the proposal, owner decided he wanted it fastened with 1 1/4 coarse hardiback screws. It is taking forever to get it up. First we have to pilot hole, then countersink and finaly screw in flush. every 16 oc
Funny I've never even heard or though about putting it up with screws. What a waste of time and $$. Like someone else already stated the hardi will break before the ringshanked siding nails will give(if in studs).

Hope you are getting paid well for it!
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Sorry JeffeVerde install will be completed tomorrow morning. Very time consuming using this method. Shooting nails easily would of been 5-8 times faster.
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Yes as you say anyone can install siding who has half a brain. Although I'd be concerned about this half brained person installing membrane properly, installing flashing properly, venting when needed properly, and many, many other areas a lot of people don't really understand is all part of our job. My point wasn't to point out your ineptitude, rather that someone who obviously knows very little or nothing at all about a trade should not be undertaking the job.

If there wasn't a water issue, and it were purely cosmetic, I would say go to town, and I would recommend just about any coil nailer that can shoot 2" galvanized nails.

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funny..i don't think i ever remember you responding to flashing or envelope questions...but you had to respond with that first gem you posted
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funny..i don't think i ever remember you responding to flashing or envelope questions...but you had to respond with that first gem you posted
So I just submitted my quote and was accepted to install tile; just wondering, what you tile pros grout with, sanded or non-sanded? Also, got a decking contract, what should I use? Pine, pressure treated, or composite. Hey I also got a plumping job, ABS, copper?
Just asking, so I don't do this wrong. I wouldn't want to do this wrong. Me or my subs do it right. Every time. I ask these questions because I want others to know how to do things.

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funny..i don't think i ever remember you responding to flashing or envelope questions...but you had to respond with that first gem you posted
How don't you think about the other steps when someone asks questions like those? (On a serious note.)

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So I just submitted my quote and was accepted to install tile; just wondering, what you tile pros grout with, sanded or non-sanded? Also, got a decking contract, what should I use? Pine, pressure treated, or composite. Hey I also got a plumping job, ABS, copper?
Just asking, so I don't do this wrong. I wouldn't want to do this wrong. Me or my subs do it right. Every time. I ask these questions because I want others to know how to do things.
Don't see anything wrong accepting a job as a GC and having a sub help you out or completely do it for you. You ready to come down and help me out on the next one ROJIGGA, youre the expert with all the answers. It sure beats sitting at home watching Holmes on Holmes reruns!!!
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Don't see anything wrong accepting a job as a GC and having a sub help you out or completely do it for you. You ready to come down and help me out on the next one ROJIGGA, youre the expert with all the answers. It sure beats sitting at home watching Holmes on Holmes reruns!!!
Sounds good 904! PM me and I will help you out, no joking either; my wifey is selling me on travelling.
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How many square did you install with screws?

I don't know your situation, or how long you have been in business- but I learned the lesson- that you don't allow the customer to dictate the details of an install- the hard way- twice

I can understand though, times are tough, but I would have declined to install it this way. I am the professional, I am being paid to install a product properly and well. I don't need the HO's guidance on fasteners to do so.
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How many square did you install with screws?

I don't know your situation, or how long you have been in business- but I learned the lesson- that you don't allow the customer to dictate the details of an install- the hard way- twice

I can understand though, times are tough, but I would have declined to install it this way. I am the professional, I am being paid to install a product properly and well. I don't need the HO's guidance on fasteners to do so.
15 Squares, owner signed off, with building inspectors approval of installation method and manufacturer ok using screws. Inspector and Manufacturer were just puzzled why anybody would want it fastend to wood using screws and not nailing it
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15 Squares, owner signed off, with building inspectors approval of installation method and manufacturer ok using screws. Inspector and Manufacturer were just puzzled why anybody would want it fastend to wood using screws and not nailing it
Man that is rough... I am not arguing with the fact that it is an approved installation method, but with the fact that you did it that way. I hope that you were able to charge appropriately considering the great increase in time it took. I have installed HardiePlank on a few occasions with screws (special circumstances where nailing was not possible) -not fun.
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Man that is rough... I am not arguing with the fact that it is an approved installation method, but with the fact that you did it that way. I hope that you were able to charge appropriately considering the great increase in time it took. I have installed HardiePlank on a few occasions with screws (special circumstances where nailing was not possible) -not fun.
2 cordless drills with pilot hole drill bit, 2 cordless drills with countersink, 2 cordless impact drivers and a ton of screws buddy!!!!!!!!!!

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