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Old 09-05-2018, 10:17 PM   #1
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I need to replace a single pane glass panel on an exterior wood patio door. Generally you can remove the stop moldings, the points if any, then the glass. However, on this door, a groove was milled in the stiles and rails, the glass inserted, and the thing was glued together. The rails and stiles have a profile which is shaped to look like it has quarter moldings, but they are all one piece. So how do I get the glass out? I was thinking of clamping some guides to the door and routing out the wood on the interior side where a stop molding would normally be. Then I could go back in with conventional removable quarter molding? Anyone seen such a beast before? Any better ways to approach this?
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Sounds like you're on the right track

Make sure the stop isn't planted on the outside

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Yeah, I am positive there are no stops inside or out. If I go that route, when placing the new glass I was thinking of running a bead of window glazing caulk, setting the glass in that and gently seating it. Whatever squeezes out the outside I could wipe away. Then, put the quarter moldings on with no caulk since they are on the interior, with just brads. I guess that would seal out the rain okay???
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Thanks. I'm sort of winging it on this one but don't want leaks later.
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Probably needs to be tempered glass
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Hadn't thought of that but I think you are right. Oh, one other thing, if stop molding are used do you still need the glazing points?
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Not really but maybe to hold it while you're working on it
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Break out the piece of glass you need to replace.
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Break out the piece of glass you need to replace.
That's what I would do. Would make it much easier to do the routing, or whatever way you decide to go, easier.
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I would still suspect that the glass is held in with a planted molding

Usually that is the case
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I routed out a small section on the interior side today. No stop molding there. I can see through the glass to the exterior side. Definitely no stop molding there either. Took a razor knife and scored along the exterior profile until I cut into the wood to make sure there was no molding there. So I am positive that the glass was set into grooves and then the door glued up just like you would glue up a wood paneled door.
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I routed out a small section on the interior side today. No stop molding there. I can see through the glass to the exterior side. Definitely no stop molding there either. Took a razor knife and scored along the exterior profile until I cut into the wood to make sure there was no molding there. So I am positive that the glass was set into grooves and then the door glued up just like you would glue up a wood paneled door.
I don't doubt you there pooty tang , it's just unusual

If you had chiseled out all of one side , and then found molding on the other , it would have not been good

So , did you get it fixed?
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Yeah that would be about my style to route out a complete side and then discover a stop on the other !!! I will route out the interior side in a few days when I get time. As suggested, I think I will put in safety glass as a replacement.

Like I mentioned above, I was thinking of bedding the new glass in the shoulder of the rabbet, then securing with new stop moldings. So the question is what to use to bed it in. I assume glazing putty would be better than glazing caulk or silicone. And since I will be using stop moldings, I don't have to worry about tooling the putty, just wiping it where it squeezes out the other side when bedding. Which putty to use? Am I on the right track there ????
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Probably easier to use caulking

Most of the time doors and windows have the glass on the outside

Itís probably a little more weather tight that way as the water has to get around the glass and the door

No caulking would be required that way but, you should prime the raw wood

That being said you can do it like youíre describing
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I used to be a warranty tech for a door supplier and I remember at least two manufacturers making their doors like that. I had to replace a few pieces of glass due to defects and did what you described. I would make a plywood template and clamp it to the door. I was able to get stop from the manufacturer that would match the profile. All glass in the doors I've worked with was tempered.

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I used to be a warranty tech for a door supplier and I remember at least two manufacturers making their doors like that. I had to replace a few pieces of glass due to defects and did what you described. I would make a plywood template and clamp it to the door. I was able to get stop from the manufacturer that would match the profile. All glass in the doors I've worked with was tempered.
Iíve never come across one of these myself

But most of the stuff I work on is old

I guess they would go together quicker at the factory

Seems a little cumbersome in case of incidental breakage during handling
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OP here: Thanks for the replies. I like the idea of a plywood template. It's too bad everything is considered disposable now. I can salvage this door, but the average person would probably just toss it and buy a new slab. This door is about 25 years old and besides the idiotic design is pretty substantial so it's worth keeping. I was looking at some sliding glass doors and shower doors in some very old apartments the other day and was noticing how even though they were probably cheap components at the time, were built so much better than the "quality" stuff we get now. I always try to keep old stuff going since it's so discouraging trying to find decent stuff. Old stuff seemed to last forever, nowadays anything I buy is almost useless out of the box. Guess I'm showing my age here !!!!!
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Looks like you pretty much had this all along Pooty tang ,like the handle BTW
Post some pics when you get r done

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