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Old 05-13-2012, 07:22 AM   #1
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Another ICF we are starting in Perry, Oklahoma. We are doing only the concrete and walls for the HO, who is acting as his own GC, and a first for me, he is actually qualified to do it.

These are pictures of the wetset, or setting ICF blocks in the footings, as opposed to gluing them down. Follow the lines, and square and level is the word, plus, the floor is isolated from the outside temps, and the floor grade is established for the plumber.
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Old 05-13-2012, 08:53 AM   #2
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how much rebar is in the footing? 8 runs of 1/2" ?

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That looks like #5 to me

You can tell your not the GC...Why was the site not stripped prior to footings? Going to be a pain for this guy to remove all the topsoil and organics on the inside after your done the walls!!
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What is your frost depth there?
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Doesn't look like you have much lap of bar in corners? We run min of 24" or 40d. Of course depending on many conditions and engineer spec... just curious what your call outs are.
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Weird.

Must not be any code requirements in Perry. Or, you are in the country outside city limits? How do you get by with simply lapping the rebar at the corners without actually bending the bars or using pre-bent corner bars?
That would never fly with the inspectors round here, unless of course there is an engineering requirement for such.

Looks good otherwise.

Never seen a batterboard set quite like that before. Does that work well?
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That's a standard bar detail for footings.

Bent corners are required for the walls
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That's a standard bar detail for footings.

Bent corners are required for the walls
Really? What is the reason for that?
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Really? What is the reason for that?
footings are more under compression, not so much tension.

walls are under tension. along with compression so..

whats wrong with a little grass in the middle?
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footings are more under compression, not so much tension.

walls are under tension. along with compression so..

whats wrong with a little grass in the middle?
It's typically scraped first. It's hard to get compaction on organic materials.
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Weird.

Must not be any code requirements in Perry. Or, you are in the country outside city limits? How do you get by with simply lapping the rebar at the corners without actually bending the bars or using pre-bent corner bars?
That would never fly with the inspectors round here, unless of course there is an engineering requirement for such.

Looks good otherwise.

Never seen a batterboard set quite like that before. Does that work well?
It meets code...some inspectors choose to see it another way, but there is no requirement to bend footing bars. I heard the same from the Enid inspectors too.... We are under the UBC statewide in Oklahoma now.

I have been doing batters like that for years...don't know if anyone else does them like I do, never looked. When I do complicated layouts, like in and outs on walls, a little thought, and presto, you have lines set for ICF......now, that said, that is why I do them like that, because I have an elevation that I have to hit, so grade pins to float concrete too, and then the line for elevation of the blocks. Floating styrofoam blocks in wet concrete requires a little learning curve.

There is very little organic material in the form actually, and it was pulled a few days later, if you look close at the picture of the corner, you can see a pier detail. !8 of them, 24 inches in diameter, 3 feet deep. Hard ground, lots of shale.
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What is your frost depth there?
The state generally calls it 16 inches or so, at least for the majority of the state, but I have never seen a: frozen ground here more then a few inches, and b: frost heave here in my life.

Some may identify with this, but I have seen more failures in slabs and footings from drought and cracks opening in the hard land, pulling support from footings, and subsequent falling, then anything even closely related to freeze damage here. Now, that said, one of the neat things with ICF's is that by floating the slab, and doing the wet set as we do, the floor is isolated from freezing weather at the perimeter, making the home easier to heat. Some codes require blue board to insulate the footings, and I will take the Pepsi Challenge any time on how we do it.
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Wow 18" we are 5' here and I have seen it freeze and bust a water main @ 5' (under a road). I thought that looked like a pier but wasn't sure. Looks cool keep the pics comming.
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ICF's are rare around here, so thanks for the pics. I acutally just bid a job that the HO will be doing ICF's. How much rebar will go in the foundation, vertical and horizontal ??

Curious as to why some footers are formed and others are not. IBC requires us to form any footers that will have living space above it. Example, a garage footer does not need to be formed unless there is living space above the garage.
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ICF's are rare around here, so thanks for the pics. I acutally just bid a job that the HO will be doing ICF's. How much rebar will go in the foundation, vertical and horizontal ??

Curious as to why some footers are formed and others are not. IBC requires us to form any footers that will have living space above it. Example, a garage footer does not need to be formed unless there is living space above the garage.
Strange. We trench form almost everything around this area. I am working on a job in Mass. that won't let us trench form anything.
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Yesterday and today.
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And, a few more. This is what we found when we arrived this morning, and the next picture is an informal class being held. The students are in school at Oklahoma State University, and getting a look at ICF's, up close.
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The first picture above is from a gust front...probably 50 mph or more last night. I live 40 miles west, and it came through here at 65 mph. I am glad that is all the damage we had.
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The home is about done, and while I am not finished this one, the owner is his own GC, we are staying up with it.

The porch posts are recycled shoring timers used in the new football stadium, I believe. 12 x 12 Doug Fir....beautiful!
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