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Old 01-14-2008, 04:34 PM   #1
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We just finished up a small basement ceiling for a customer last week.

To get the layout to work properly, we ended up with a 9" slice on each side of the basement, so that everything looks centered.

The tiles used were an Armstrong 2x2 from Lowes. (292 Oasis) It's the style that drops down from the grids slightly.
Now please understand, I didn't suggest these- the customer had already picked them out, and since this is what they liked, I went along, rather than rock the boat on tile selection.

OK, here's the question:
What can we do to "dress up" the cut ends?
Everywhere we could, we hid cuts facing the wall, but there's a few we can't.
We thought of using some spray paint to mask the cut, but have not yet found the proper match.

This is a rather small job for us, and the customer is overall satisfied... but it's our goal to do everything we can to leave them "raving fans" about us when we leave.

Any thoughts? Any info I left out?

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Old 01-14-2008, 04:49 PM   #2
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for minor touch-ups, scrapes, etc, i have used a spray powder like an athletes foot spray powder. it comes out white and it has a dull chalk-like finish. actually matches rather well. all depends on the area you have to touch up

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Can't say I'm all that sure why 'all' your cuts wouldn't be facing the wall, - - but it seems like you could just match up whatever color it is you need for the edges of your 'tegular' (3-D) tile, - - if you're insistent on that.

And it's good you gave the equal borders, - - but if you ended up with 9" at each end, - - you could have just as easily ended up with 21" at each end by just moving your whole pattern over by 12".

Rule of thumb, - - whenever your centered layout leaves you with 'less' than half-a-tile at each of your borders, - - just move your whole pattern over a half-a-tile, - - and you'll end up with borders that are 'more' than half-a-tile . . .
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The spray powder is a good idea, the paint we had was a bit too glossy, even though it was a flat paint.

Tom,
The exposed area in question is working around a set of stairs, and that forced the cuts.
However, thanks for the advice about staging the cuts! We'll implement that idea for the next time!
This is our first tegular, all up till now have been basic commercial 2x4 jobs...

one of the issues we're having is the panels seem really cheap. They flake easily, and the paint is thin & flakes easily.
Please excuse my ignorance, but is this an issue across the board for Armstrong, or only on their "big box" lines?

Thanks again for the fast, informative replies!
I truly appreciate it...

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for minor touch-ups, scrapes, etc, i have used a spray powder like an athletes foot spray powder. it comes out white and it has a dull chalk-like finish. actually matches rather well. all depends on the area you have to touch up
I did a lot of commercial interiors when I was in my 20's. This is the best trick in the book! It works great on all touch up's for tiles.

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Old 01-14-2008, 07:23 PM   #6
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If you are talking abour the tiles that hang down from the grid about a 1/4 inch you need to cut the tiles so that they are notched out for that span. then just push the cut side up to the grid.

We did two basements with these type of tiles last year and both came out great. We used the armstrong 1201 so that you can't even tell there is a grid unless you looking for it.
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Never tried foot powder spray. We've used liquid shoe polish (white) for touch ups.

Did you use a reveal cutter on the edges?

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They generally make a nice clean cut and unless it is @ a doorway you'd have to look real hard to see the edge of the tile anyway.
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Our "grumble" area is a doorway (actually, steps- so the client is more on the ceiling tile level)... so it's at the worst spot.

That reveal cutter is awesome! We used regular utility knives, just cycled thru the blades a lot- but that would have been much better!!

Thanks for the tip.
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I'm suspicious of that cutter. Seems like stuff could get stuck between the blade and the guide and throw your cuts off if your not care full. Besides, the best way to cut the reveal is to scribe it. Don't see that happening with that tool.
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you can use acoustical ceiling tile paint you can get it at kamco
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I'm suspicious of that cutter. Seems like stuff could get stuck between the blade and the guide and throw your cuts off if your not care full. Besides, the best way to cut the reveal is to scribe it. Don't see that happening with that tool.
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I'm suspicious of that cutter. Seems like stuff could get stuck between the blade and the guide and throw your cuts off if your not care full. Besides, the best way to cut the reveal is to scribe it. Don't see that happening with that tool.

I agree too. I cut the tile to fit in the grid then make two tick marks for the reveal with my knife then cut the rabbet with a steel square as a straight edge. I also use the rigid wire for hanging. A short length of conduit with a tail peeled out from the end with snips makes an excellent spinner for twisting the wire onto the hangers. for stairwells they make a 1/2 inch and 5/8 inch metal 'F" valance that you can screw to a drywall drop.
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I guess everyone has thier own way, but I have used a reveal cutter many times with excellent results. Much quicker than using a utility knife too. I've done it both ways. I once had to cut in all the edges in a very large multi level buliding, I started with the way AW described, then found the reveal cutter, The only way I do it now.

If the piece your cutting is the correct width and shape, you can't miss. The cutter is for the reveal, not cutting the piece itself to shape.
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I guess everyone has thier own way, but I have used a reveal cutter many times with excellent results. Much quicker than using a utility knife too. I've done it both ways. I once had to cut in all the edges in a very large multi level buliding, I started with the way AW described, then found the reveal cutter, The only way I do it now.

If the piece your cutting is the correct width and shape, you can't miss. The cutter is for the reveal, not cutting the piece itself to shape.
They might work fine for you and in someones basement job, but if you brought that to a large commercial job I think your percecption of "faster" would change by coffee break
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I'm suspicious of that cutter. Seems like stuff could get stuck between the blade and the guide and throw your cuts off if your not care full. Besides, the best way to cut the reveal is to scribe it. Don't see that happening with that tool.
I have the reveal cutter, and it works great... I scribe and cut the 'face' with a utility knife, then use the cutter on the side to remove the depth of the reveal. I don't use it to cut the face
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for stairwells they make a 1/2 inch and 5/8 inch metal 'F" valance that you can screw to a drywall drop.
I didn't know this, thanks- this will be helpful for next time around!
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They make a wall molding called "shadow mold" for acoustical ceilings that is essentially the same thing. No need for any curf cuts at all with this wall molding.
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I didn't know this, thanks- this will be helpful for next time around!
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scroll to the bottom of this page. its called MF molding


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They make a wall molding called "shadow mold" for acoustical ceilings that is essentially the same thing. No need for any curf cuts at all with this wall molding.
Jason we are literally on the same page. check out the link above for your shadow molding.
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Just above that is the shadow mold. It is z shaped so it will support the "T" and the tile.
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Jason we are literally on the same page. check out the link above for your shadow molding.
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