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Old 05-12-2019, 05:59 AM   #1
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I typically build only ICF homes, and the deep returns on windows and doors lend themselves well to sheet rock...sometimes we do a granite stool, or oak, but never trim out the windows or doors.

On the spec home homes I am building now, 4 inch walls, I am going to have the drywallers rock them the same way. Looks clean, quick and easy, and eliminates a lot of trim.

Anyone else do this or see it done?
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:34 AM   #2
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All the time but it definitely seems low end even for spec these days.

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I like the clean look myself, my own home, not low end, is all rocked. But buyers of low end are not expecting full trim outs.
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Do all the time here, pretty much all are walls are 6" now . I not a big fan of the look , but guess it does save some time and money.
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I might say too I don't care for it in places where there might be a moisture issue. Kitchen windows and such from setting plants on the ledge. Same reason I don't use MDF for my jambs extensions anymore. Personally I love the look of nice wood trim. The old style ledge with an apron , wide trim , just love it. but also realize it is not for every home neither, especially spec homes.
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Only place I see that around here is in apartments or commercial . This ainít Oklahoma though.

I think a 1x6 stool would help a lot

It would be nice to know what you are building . Any drawings?
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It would be nice to know what you are building . Any drawings?
2000 sq/ft spec homes. the layout isn't any different then any other 3/2 home, per say, just wondering what others are doing.
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I iike drywall returns, good money maker when I tear them out and install jambs, stools and trim.

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Beautiful work, but it won't be in a $100 a sq/ft home when built.

Anyone notice how the color white is the #1 pick today? 20 years ago, light oak here.....then the color craze, and now we are on white.
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Beautiful work, but it won't be in a $100 a sq/ft home when built.

Anyone notice how the color white is the #1 pick today? 20 years ago, light oak here.....then the color craze, and now we are on white.
I'm a stained/finished wood guy, the colors and white don't really do it for me.

Finished wood has stood the test of time.

Gotta go with what's trending---no matter how stupid.

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I like the clean look myself, my own home, not low end, is all rocked. But buyers of low end are not expecting full trim outs.
All the tract houses and multifamily here do it. They do put in an MDF stool though.

Don't see trim until you break over about $400,000. Then you would get Andersen windows.
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If I remember right, you have 20 lots . Why not do one with, and one without , and see who bites?

If a little trim sells quicker, it may be worth your time . If not then you save a little more money and time on the build .

The beauty of building spec houses is you can do whatever you want and they can take it or leave it.
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I have the options of fireplace or not, 9 or 8 ft plate, laminate countertops or granite, and have 2 sold out of 3 going up right now. I am not doing full trim, but if it was offered, because it costs me more, the price would be higher, and the object is to get these built and sold quickly. I have an option on another 16 lots in a little higher end area....but these are first.
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I like the clean look myself, my own home, not low end, is all rocked. But buyers of low end are not expecting full trim outs.
Much of it, I believe is regional and influenced by the big box builders. Vast majority of buyers are 'not' all that concerned with full trim window package. Here in DFW, I stopped asking, nobody bites and they look at me funny. High end and existing more period type homes its expected.

Being from the west side of the upper Midwest, drywall returns, sure sign of a cheap house. Along with vinyl and aluminum windows. Very common to run 6-8" extension jambs on basement windows even. That's changing also as the economic pressures increase and the buying public becomes less concerned with "traditional" local norms.

3/2 Buyers are much more interested in finding a house they can afford and layout is a good fit. DW returns are no where near a deal breaker.
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I built 2 homes in this neighborhood in 2009, just in time for the bubble to pop, and learned a valuable, never do it again lesson, on those....1200 sq/ft 3/2 will not sell when you can get 1600 or 2000 feet of used home for less....but things have changed again....and our market of available houses is not high, used homes are $100 a ft, so there is a reason to build now. Mortgages here are being quoted at 3.25 fixed 30 year, and at 159,900, that is a price anyone with a decent job can make it work.
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Absolutely charge for any upgrades , I hope you didnít think I meant for you to throw anything in for free.
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Beautiful work, but it won't be in a $100 a sq/ft home when built.

Anyone notice how the color white is the #1 pick today? 20 years ago, light oak here.....then the color craze, and now we are on white.
You can build a home and make profit for less than $100 SQ ft.?
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You can build a home and make profit for less than $100 SQ ft.?

Not the thread for this, but in Oklahoma....again, O K L A H O M A you all.....it costs about $65 to build. Add in a lot and you then have to run that number with it....the homes I am building have 1553 living space and a 2 car garage for a total of 2007 sq/ft. Selling with no upgrades, 159,900.

Two sold already. By the way, I paid 100k for the 20 lots ready to build, street, sewer, water, and all I had to do was get the surveyor out to find the pins. I could have bought the lots for 10k each, or by them all at one time, half price.

And don't jump up and down and pound your chest and say it can't be done. I do it. I build ICFs for $85. Costs here are lower. And margins will be lower. But it ain't bad.
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I see there occasionally here but I'm not a fan. In the winter moisture condenses on the windows and they go to hell fast.
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Not the thread for this, but in Oklahoma....again, O K L A H O M A you all.....it costs about $65 to build. Add in a lot and you then have to run that number with it....the homes I am building have 1553 living space and a 2 car garage for a total of 2007 sq/ft. Selling with no upgrades, 159,900.

Two sold already. By the way, I paid 100k for the 20 lots ready to build, street, sewer, water, and all I had to do was get the surveyor out to find the pins. I could have bought the lots for 10k each, or by them all at one time, half price.

And don't jump up and down and pound your chest and say it can't be done. I do it. I build ICFs for $85. Costs here are lower. And margins will be lower. But it ain't bad.
Really fascinating how varied our country is. 5000 sf city lot here is often $200k. Lots out in the nearby country where I live are going for $500k for a couple acres.

I should add - I didn't mean to diss your idea. Sheetrock returns are a good way to save time and money, and if the sill is nice, they can make a nice clean look. Where condensation isn't an issue there should be no problems. Just don't do bullnose corners.

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