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Old 01-21-2014, 10:18 PM   #21
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Re: Quality Vs Quantity..how Much Speed Is Important'?


I have worked extensively in both systems over the years, and use imperial for most things.
I do switch to metric when doing stairs, it's just easier.
If you are under 40 in Canada, you have no idea of what a foot is
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Old 01-21-2014, 10:34 PM   #22
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I also run a nonprofit that works in 2 large orphanages in Bolivia. A few years ago I was doing a little building with one of my volunteers, an Australian. Since he had so little experience I went metric so he'd have an easier time. The biggest issue for me was not being able to estimate lengths in metric. I know what 16 inches looks like but I couldn't tell you without cheating that it's 40.64 centimeters

Edit: Regarding speed: slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Except laborers, they should move like lightening.

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We had a commercial sub frame some walls on a job and he would always talk about how slow we were. He ended up failing his framing inspection because he only screwed one side of all the studs. That quieted him down. Then he hung a bunch of rock for us for piece work and failed the drywall inspection for not enough screws.

It really depends on the type of work. If somebody does something every day for 10 years I expect them to be faster then somebody who is doing something different every day.
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quantity is only to be expected after efficiency and quality is achieved. and/or efficiency and quality lead to quantity. if the process does not naturally occur then the person needs to stick to a niche field with little competition so it doesn't matter how slow he works just that the outcome be of the most quality possible.
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I was telling someone about this the other day.
Speed means nothing, efficiency is everything.
Speed is the rate at which something is getting done
Efficiency is the ability to do something without wasting time or energy.
I really really strive to be efficient.
I think speed, efficiency and quality go hand in hand.
Efficiency translates into speed
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How come I didn't find this earlier!!! I was talking To our site engineer when he was welding our metal handrail together.. In my opinion accuracy is better! But then there needs to be abit of both. Not to fast that work is done roughly, but then not to slowly.. Because I'm having this problem at the minute. We subcontracted a job to build a disabled ramp and some stairs, The big boss put the pressure on the company to build it in a week when realistically it's a 2week job. So sure enough the concrete bulged. Ramp was to long, and generally really rough work... But the guys who built it were good builders it's just that whole thing of bosses who've been off the tools for a while not realistically/logically thinking things though.. Working in a rush rush manner never works out for anyone..
On the subject of feet and millimetres.. I've only used MM. I can't for the life of me work out feet and inches... With MM. We can have the problem of doing the 100mm trick where say you had to cut something at 545mm you'd cut it at 445mm..
All our sheets are in increments of 600mm so a standard gib sheet ( or sheet rock as it's called in us) is 2400mm X 1200mm a standard stud size is 2420mm for us but then it goes up to 2820mm 3020mm.... I'd love to move to the US on day but learning feet and inches would stump me I think
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I'm starting a house in the spring, maybe I'll suggest to the GC that we go metric. It's just the two of us.
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I'm starting a house in the spring, maybe I'll suggest to the GC that we go metric. It's just the two of us.
You say that not, but first measurement in "1250 mil"
" Yo WTF IS A MIL"
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I have worked extensively in both systems over the years, and use imperial for most things.
I do switch to metric when doing stairs, it's just easier.
If you are under 40 in Canada, you have no idea of what a foot is
I am 28 and in Canada. Taught metric in elementary school then it was feet and inches the rest of my life.
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When a customer asks.."how long will this take"I tell them,we will work your job faithfully 8 to 10 hours a day and we will take the proper amount of time to do it right.
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how you guys react if someone in your crew is slow but accurate?and another totally different question,i know guys there you use to carry all your tools in the toolbelt,perfect for a carpenter,but i read more than one time that some of you had tools stolen,it is a problem there on the jobsite?
if they are slow but accurate then they either have a bad work ethic or are under experienced in the task they are doing. If they have a bad work ethic, you should pick up on that in the first couple of days and get rid of them. If they are under experienced then there's nothing you can do about it, it takes time to learn a trade, you'll have to teach them. Or it can be in your head, maybe there's no one who can do it the speed you expect. As far as tools being stolen, that's usually only a problem when you have a whole bunch of subs in the same room.
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When a customer asks.."how long will this take"
ask if they want metric or imperial
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I used to build decks and fences with a guy that worked in metric. we both used metric tapes and it was dead easy doing math on projects.
Tenths always add neatly to tenths, and a millimeter is approximately 1/25 of an inch, so more accurate than working to 16th's.

At my current job, I am not fast, but my work must be neat enough to keep me around. We have a guy that is fast at framing that always calls me slow, but his work is sloppy and he is rough on everyone's tools. He never gets invited to a finished house to do neat work. I take it as a compliment that only a couple of us get called to work in pristine homes. It takes patience to do some jobs right...
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same here. I work on a framing crew and our lead guy and the next guy under him are super fast, but it's because they're a bit sloppy and also don't work in a way to move the whole job faster, just to make themselves faster. if that makes sense. so right now we're finishing up this huge trim job where we did all this high end stuff like coffered ceilings and recessed paneling and crown and blah blah and both of them keep saying to me "oh wow you're STILL working on that?!" and I just go "yep, I STILL am." cause I know they're getting more done than me but what I'm getting done looks 100x better and I'm also doing everything the proper way and cleaning my areas as I go, caulking as I go, sanding as I go, setting my nails, etc. and they're just banging **** together and leaving messes everywhere and working backwards to fix everything later. and the boss sees it and knows it.

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