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Old 03-26-2013, 09:16 AM   #1
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Pergola Need Advice


So my parents want a pergola built in their back yard or something like that. Something to give shade in the hot summer over the patio.

I'm debating on sinking 6x6 cedar posts in the ground with concrete or doing a pier pad then a metal box to a green 4x4, then covering it with cedar.

Which way do you think would be better?

Is something like this generally going to require a permit? I know each area is different, but off the top of your head what do you think?

I'm also torn about free standing or attaching to the house. There is a small bump out addition about 12' off the ground to attach to if I do go that route.

I'm also not sure of the design, does anyone have any sites or pictures I could reference for ideas?

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Old 03-26-2013, 10:00 AM   #2
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I always tell my clients if they can stand the extra posts, go freestanding.

We sink nothing in the ground, we pour piers and attach Simpson post bases to it.

As far as permits go, it depends on the area.

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Have to check with your local building authority about permits...up here, anything attached to house over 100sqft needs a permit. Altering structure of house requires permit. I know our BI's would consider a pergola landscaping and size wouldn't be an issue.

6x6, unless your building something tiny. Large post gives you more meat to notch cut up top. Can get post holders for 6x6 (prefer ones with two 1/2" holes for attachment to post and U base is embedded in concrete - dislike single rebar into concrete).

The upside of putting post into concrete is stability (a heavy column base with two bolt holes does the job too - strongtie). Throw a few heavy nails into base of PT/cedar if you set it in concrete (if it shrinks it won't get loose, and will resist uplifting). I've even wrapped the base of post in tar paper (portion that goes into ground) to slow down decay, but I haven't been around long enough to see if it makes a difference.

Up here, we really try to avoid putting anything into ground, unless it is concrete - will rot out in a few years. I'll do PT/cedar fence posts into ground, but that is about it.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:51 AM   #4
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Thanks for the advice.

I'm also looking into a canvas and wood idea, but haven't got it fully fleshed out in my head. Searching the web for ideas at this point. Budget is a factor for them, their getting my labor for free.

I'm sold on free standing and pier pads with anchor boxes. Now to figure out what the top looks like.

They want something that will be able to hold up to weather, we get heavy thunderstorms here. It needs to provide good shade coverage underneath, but they do not want a solid shingled roof.

Confusing it is... lol.
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This is cedar 6x6 on 16" footings/piers. The cover/roof are deck planks ripped in half the edges rounded over. Exposed framing is also cedar.

If you don't mind, where are you located in Illinois?

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If you don't mind, where are you located in Illinois?
Crystal Lake, NW suburb of Chicago, why?
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Crystal Lake, NW suburb of Chicago, why?
I'm in Northwest Indiana. I have the plans and details for the one shown and a few others. Will send them to you if you want them, just wanted to make sure they would be relevant to your area.

I do a lot of work in Barrington and other suburbs up your way.

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It all depends on design and preference, do you have pictures of the back yard?
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General practice is with concrete pillars and Simpson or similar brackets. Attaching to the house structure a permit is required if you call but never is explained too well in the planning documents on non-roof structures. It also depends how close to the property line in some circumstances. Every area is different.
No one gets a permit for large retractable awnings attached to the wall or rafters but if you asked the city planning dept. I am sure you will be told you need one.
I have attached some pictures. You can buy Shadefx Retractable awnings for shade cover that mount under the pergola. Price maybe rich for some at about $18 per sq. ft. Some pergola designs don't offer much shade when that sun is beating down.
If they are on a slim budget for shade, dowels sewn in each end of exterior fabric may work for them. Drape it over the pergola.
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I'm in Northwest Indiana. I have the plans and details for the one shown and a few others. Will send them to you if you want them, just wanted to make sure they would be relevant to your area.

I do a lot of work in Barrington and other suburbs up your way.

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Really if you need an extra guy send me a PM and we might be able to help each other out.

Thanks for the offer on the plans, still hammering out ideas with the parents, if they go that kinda route I'll hit you up.
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If they are on a slim budget for shade, dowels sewn in each end of exterior fabric may work for them. Drape it over the pergola.
How do you attach the dowels to the fabric and how are they hung from the framing?
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It all depends on design and preference, do you have pictures of the back yard?
Nah and I can't get the darn pictures off my cell phone..
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Nah and I can't get the darn pictures off my cell phone..
Down load the CT app, it allows you to upload photos right from the app.

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Just some ideas.
Lights are a nice feature if you have the time to pull it off.

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Here's the one I did in my folks back yard- it has wrap-around seating, made from DF on a 4" slab with some mono ftngs under posts.
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Here's the one I did in my folks back yard- it has wrap-around seating, made from DF on a 4" slab with some mono ftngs under posts.
Very nice!
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Just some ideas.
Lights are a nice feature if you have the time to pull it off.
Sweet stain job...I want to touch it.
Nevermind the awesome job....
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How do you attach the dowels to the fabric and how are they hung from the framing?
The picture is a store bought unit but the concept is the same. Customers that wouldn't spring for the retractable awnings but wanted shade I sent them to local awning shops to get a piece made. The ends can be a SS round bar or some sort of wooden dowel. Some customers got creative with hex dowels or screwed on decorative ends. They can be locked into post hooks with strings. The dowel holders are either sewn or heat sealed depending on the fabric used. This is only if you want a good quality fabric like Sunbrella. Most awning places don't carry low end fabrics.
If you want to go real cheap use a shade cloth from Coolaroo. You can buy it at the big box stores in standard sizes. Attach it with easy snaps or cable ties. Check their website.
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Very nice!
Here's an "in progress" pic
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Some amazing work here guys. Love the stain on the one and the arches on the white one. Wish I could find a quality employer to work for like you guys.

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