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Old 05-30-2013, 07:42 PM   #121
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Old 05-30-2013, 07:49 PM   #122
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I would say, for pain and suffering. I would not want to do it. No thanks.

Rob, just curious, how common of a practice is soda blasting for mold?
Blasting with soda is commonly used to clean the surfaces after the mold has been killed with biocides. It isn't a good idea to spray the mold spores all over the structure with a blaster.

Most blasters won't do mold remediation because of the licensing and liability. But many remediation companies will use soda or co2 to clean up after treatment. Nothing wrong with that when knowledgeable experts are involved.
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We're not allowed osb anymore by hurricane code. Advantech is sweet sub-floor after we learned about the use of gold edge. Sat under a bunch of masons blocking second floor and they used as platform needless to say tons of mud sweat and rain. Way worried about what was going to look like after, but it was still spot on. Great stuff.

As for original poster saying world doesn't like our buildings the world also classifies mud huts as "masonry". I spent quite a bit of time in Europe and yes the buildings are mostly masonry but you would get arrested for talking bad about a tree. They are not efficient with building in Europe, but they do use masonry.

The third world country's that i went on missions too asked us to help them lay block. The block were 4"X6" brittle as hell and put together with river sand, clay and some portland and very inconsistently done. Not a piece of steel to be found in any verticals and no such thing as poured cavities.

So yeah, maybe 70% of the world is masonry but telling me that some Europeans don't like the way our houses are built i really don't care. When they say we build fragile, tell them to change France first, they can't seem to find their ass with both hands when it comes to building for defensive purposes... One last point the reason i can build how i want is BECAUSE this is America even though every year we get a little closer to building the dark dismal compounds you desire.

Wood here is stronger than masonry when tied together correctly, so the next time you get the bullchit question why we build our houses so fragile tell them "ya know, i don't know, ask a carpenter". As a mason you should be.more than willing to go to Honduras, Belize, Panama and the list goes on and on where they build "masonry" houses but when a hurricane (cat 2 hits) all of la ceiba is wiped out, or you could tell us in those fragile framed houses here in Florida that when that same storm hits we lose a few shingles.

But what do i know I'm not in the majority so I'm just stupidly going on experience and not some damn book that makes the rest of the world feel good by making us silly mean guys with red white and blue underwear. Save America... Kick a hippy...

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Wood here is stronger than masonry when tied together correctly, so the next time you get the bullchit question why we build our houses so fragile tell them "ya know, i don't know, ask a carpenter".

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Thank you for the option to ask a carpenter. I'am just curious and need a carpenters insight.

If your quote is correct (I do not doubt you) could you please tell me why we build our hospitals,schools,court houses,prisons,banks, and heck,even bunkers and bomb shelters out of masonry??
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Thank you for the option to ask a carpenter. I'am just curious and need a carpenters insight.

If your quote is correct (I do not doubt you) could you please tell me why we build our hospitals,schools,court houses,prisons,banks, and heck,even bunkers and bomb shelters out of masonry??
If by masonry, you mean STEEL and concrete. They sure don't build them with the methods in the "hope for architecture" link.
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If your quote is correct (I do not doubt you) could you please tell me why we build our hospitals,schools,court houses,prisons,banks, and heck,even bunkers and bomb shelters out of masonry??
But, you blasted most of the carpenters that responded to to your first thread, touting OSB is crap, and why aren't builders using 1x6...x8, or plywood material for the racking strength for walls?

...and you summarily ignored most of the posts, because it did not "fit" into your way of building.

That's how they did it back then!?


Look man, I went through that.

As a carpenter and as one who "glommed" onto the old ways, in my apprenticeship through the trades, I have learned many things.

I have ALSO learned, to let go of some of the "perfectionist" ideas about building, go. I was a plywood, guy. Right up until the point when the plywood wasn't the same plywood I was building with 10 years ago. So, by you're reasoning, I need to adopt the 1x6 as my sheathing material?

Have you seen a 1x6, lately?

Can you get a 1x6 that is "more stable" than the plywood or OSB that is on the market now?!

I can tout the "glue" market has come "leaps and bounds" from what it was, back when OSB was in its infancy.

That might not matter, to you.

What I CAN tell you is adhesives, are not the same as they were, 20 years ago.

If you want to build houses with timbers, and wood pegs, more power to you. There is a market for that. (The lumber is not virgin timber, felled on the owners property, but its available.) There is also a different skill set, for that type of work.


We don't manufacture single pane windows, with lead weights in the sashes, anymore. We only "re-glaze" single pane windows for restoration work.

I have a real hard time, justifying your position, based on what I know.

Your posts have been interesting to read, up to and including the archy post about old building techniques, and how they have served many for so long.

What I will say, is most of us work with our clients, within the constraints of a budget, and provide a top notch service, for that budget.

To come out and blast OSB, across the board tells me one of two things:

1) You are young, and don't know what I'm talking about yet,

OR

2) You are on the "restoration" path.

If you are on the restoration "path", please read what I have posted...

If it is the 1st response, then:

...anyone that claims to be a "vegan" and wears Birkenstocks, is an idiot.
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I also have been around since before OSB. The first OSB was absolute chit, I believe it was called waferboard
You are a dinosaur then. You probably remember drywall with the circles and diamonds on it, Yankee screwdrivers and maybe even a bit brace
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You are a dinosaur then. You probably remember drywall with the circles and diamonds on it, Yankee screwdrivers and maybe even a bit brace
I've only been around since 1983, and if OSB was around I don't think it was being used for struct 1 shear wall. I remember it being called waferboard though.
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You are a dinosaur then. You probably remember drywall with the circles and diamonds on it, Yankee screwdrivers and maybe even a bit brace
You forgot:....

Miter box w/a backsaw

Carpenter carried a tri-square

Carpenters had really good SHARP handsaws....
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I've only been around since 1983, and if OSB was around I don't think it was being used for struct 1 shear wall. I remember it being called waferboard though.
I'm old fashioned. I resist everything new until it's performance is proven. That said the advantec was or is about the best stuff out there when it comes to weatherproof. Plywood by its cross sectional, cross grain composition is always going to be stronger than OSB, just like a microlam. TGI joists suck, I know the fire dept hates them because they go quick
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I'm old fashioned. I resist everything new until it's performance is proven. That said the advantec was or is about the best stuff out there when it comes to weatherproof. Plywood by its cross sectional, cross grain composition is always going to be stronger than OSB, just like a microlam. TGI joists suck, I know the fire dept hates them because they go quick
I've never heard of a building failure because they used OSB, or TJI's
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I've never heard of a building failure because they used OSB, or TJI's
Me either but this stuff is still relatively new. Dimensional lumber has stood the test of time. I'm thinking it's all based on cost and resource availability. I'm glad I have regular floor joists in my house, Downside? It was built in the 70's and I don't think they believed in using glue on the subfloor. I have so many squeeks though the burglar won't get far
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I'm old fashioned. I resist everything new until it's performance is proven. That said the advantec was or is about the best stuff out there when it comes to weatherproof. Plywood by its cross sectional, cross grain composition is always going to be stronger than OSB, just like a microlam. TGI joists suck, I know the fire dept hates them because they go quick
Just making a point here, not fighting or arguing....But

An older structure with diagonal 1x sub-floor, 1x wall sub sheathing, 1x or spaced sheathing on the roof and then add Cedar shingles or shakes
and you have a tinder bomb....
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Just making a point here, not fighting or arguing....But

An older structure with diagonal 1x sub-floor, 1x wall sub sheathing, 1x or spaced sheathing on the roof and then add Cedar shingles or shakes
and you have a tinder bomb....
But at least it's structurally stable, and renaissance compliant.

(maybe not seismic code compliant...)

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But at least it's structurally stable, and renaissance compliant.

(maybe not seismic code compliant...)

If you ever read "The Very Efficient Carpenter" by Larry Haun he talks about how bad 1x sheathing is. He said Carpenters used to all have scared up legs from walking on that chit and suddenly hitting a knot hole and the shards would cut up their legs. He said once plywood came out it was the biggest revolution in his day.
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If you ever read "The Very Efficient Carpenter" by Larry Haun he talks about how bad 1x sheathing is. He said Carpenters used to all have scared up legs from walking on that chit and suddenly hitting a knot hole and the shards would cut up their legs. He said once plywood came out it was the biggest revolution in his day.
I have, I was sarcastically continuing my rant...

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I have, I was sarcastically continuing my rant...

It took the legend Larry Haun being mentioned to make you come back around didn't it? ......
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You are a dinosaur then. You probably remember drywall with the circles and diamonds on it, Yankee screwdrivers and maybe even a bit brace
Really? I didn't think I was old but I remember wafer board very clearly too.
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