http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-...er-meetinghouse-trade-unions-nonunion-workers
Just another day in the office :whistling
Just another day in the office :whistling
You dont know what your talking about, those unions you site are not trade unions, first. Second if you dont do what is in the contract documents then your negligent and should be sued for non-compliance to the same documents.I'll give you some of your argument on the union as correct, we do have a lot of union bashing going on, a
pmrcco said:You have no Idea about million dollar projects with 700 page specs, and 300 page drawings.
I'll bite.I'd love to discuss wages. You go first. What do you pay? Tell me about your pension plan? What benefits do you offer?
dave_k said:I find it offensive and ignorant that you would accuse trade union members to Nazis. The nazis threw union leaders in concentration camps before the went after the Jews The Nazi's were dormant and quiet?!?! Where the hell did you come up with that. The Nazi's marched down the street in brownshirts from their inception, they used to fight commies in the streets in the 1920's. The Muslims and christians are evangelical by nature, Religions don't spread by having their members be quiet door mouses they grow by spreading the word, There has been corruption in politics, religion and business since civilization began
Each of these groups were/are large. For the most part the majority of these groups were quiet people, only a small percentage thought they were better then anyone else...you missed the point. The unions are much the same, most are quiet reserved guys, do there job without issue...then there's the rest, the abusers.
This is a construction forum. None of your examples are construction unions. You show me where anything like that happens in construction unions in Ontario. In our new member orientation we teach members that they have to have an ethical attitude toward their brothers and toward their employer. If a member doesn't have a good work ethic, doesn't show up for work on time, quits jobs for no good reason we kick them out of the union. We don't want them. We don't tolerate a couple of guys pulling the weight for the whole crew. Everyone has to pull their weight.
Construction forum or not...a union is a union
You have more rights to job security in the non union sector than I do under the UBC collective agreement. I can work for a company for 40 years in a supervisory position and be laid off for any reason with 1 hour notice with NO severance pay. You have the right to notice under the law and YOU get severance pay if you are a long term employee. We don't.
Maybe you should join the private sector for better severance package
No one can guarantee the quality of workmanship you are going to get but if a contractor calls the hall looking for a millwright certified in rebuilding Siemens gas turbines or CWB welder certified in 4 positions that also has an diving certificate or a carpenter certified in Peri formwork that can run an 8 ton crane I can get them in a day. Can you?
Maybe 2-3 days, and I stated that above, union makes one phone call, I may have to make 6-10 calls
Yesterday I trained 2 guys in fall arrest for a contractor. The guys showed up at the hall, talked to the receptionist, the receptionist called me and I took the time to teach the guys what they needed to know. I did a class in PWEPS earlier in the week for a drywall contractor and in both cases it didn't cost the contractors a nickel and the guys don't get paid while they train, that's just part of the collective agreement. See if you can get that kind of service anywhere else in Ontario outside of a construction union.
We don't leave our office or site for this training, the trainers come to us
Actually we are still very much involved in construction safety. I sit on the local ISHA safety committee. The non union sector is represented by one member of the construction association. The union sector has representation from every construction union and 3 of our general contractors. The construction association represents the union sector as well BTW. We have 12% of the consruction market and 90% of the seats on the committee. The non union sector doesn't seem to give a rats ass about construction safety except that they think that losing a few lives and maiming a few guys is an acceptable price for keeping up their profit margins. The only time they pay attention is when it's costing them money.
I am not the union, I am not collecting fees from my employees to put someone on your committee, I'll ask them if they want to donate towards this cause...I bet the answer is no. I get regular 'visits' from MOL. To date no fines or violations, my guys and I must be doing something right.
That's LIUNA, the laborers union. That's a sad story. They also have a problem with unfunded liability. If there are any LIUNA members in Ontario reading this we are happy to represent formsetters and we have an affiliate that represents construction craft workers and cement finishers so come on over to the UBC and make more money, get better training and have a pension that's going to be there when you need it ;-).
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That's a drop in the bucket compared to this http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/05/22/quebec-corruption-inquiry-charbonneau-commission-construction_n_1535108.html Now THAT's corruption. My BIL does is a GC specializing in roadwork, water and sewer and parks. (non union of course) I remember him getting phone calls telling him what his bid was on projects back in the 1970's. That corruption goes back a LONG way. Don't kid yourself, it's in Ontario too. Union and non-union and it's been around as long as civilization.
I'll read this tomorrow
I don't think you fully understand what we are talking about when we talk about a trade shortage. We aren't talking about framers and renovators or roofers, we will always be flush with them and because we have deindustrialized over the last 40 years the wages they get will be driven down as time goes on. The trade shortage is in the guys serving infrastructure and the resource sector. These guys can't be trained in your office or out on the job. Industrial millwrights don't take their severance pay from the factory layoff go to home depot and buy some tools and start building petrochemical plants for beer money. We used to get our tradesmen from Europe which was fine when there were world wars every few years and people wanted to leave europe but today they live better over there than we do here. It's going to be a problem because these are the guys who keep the lights on and the water running.
There is trade shortages in every industry here in Canada, companies need incentive to enter certain fields, wages in our industry go up and down based on supply, demand and skill level
The apprenticeship programs are getting good press and lip service from the government however we aren't getting the numbers through the program that the government would lead us to believe they are training. College programs are often half full and a lot of apprentices wash out. One of the major problems is the kids that are encouraged into apprenticeships are lacking in essential skills for employment http://www.wem.mb.ca/the_9_essential_skills.aspx we do run courses for our members who wash out of the apprenticeship program for whatever reason to help them get their red seal. Sometime they just need a refresher to take a run at the exam, or don't have experience in a specific part of the exam but sometimes we find they have problems with math or literacy that keeps them from going to school. Either way we help our guys succeed.
Yes, your union is putting people through, many should not be in the program, but to keep your numbers high and maintain your income, they are pushed through even when they are not ready to be out doing what they are suppose to be qualified for.
I'd love to discuss wages. You go first. What do you pay? Tell me about your pension plan? What benefits do you offer?
High School Student 12.00
Part Time 16.00
Full Time Start 20-22.00
Lead Hand 24-32.00
Foreman 35-42.00
I'll match employees RRSP contribution, I carry the disability while working, need prescription or glasses? Bring me the bill it will be a reimbursement on your next cheque.
Performance bonus based on profit
I love how mature the hard hats are. Unfortunately the professionals writing the story loose a lot of credibility .... it is a STEEL beam not one that has been stolen.rrk said:Saw this on the news yesterday, all union workers.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/racist-sexist-slur-filled-graffiti-covers-new-wtc-article-1.1249195
I'm sure Dave will say they are all wonderful family men