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Old 02-26-2019, 11:27 AM   #1
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Over the last few years, I have seen posts here where guys are not happy with James Hardie siding. What are the problems? What alternatives do you recommend?
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Old 02-26-2019, 02:28 PM   #2
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Re: James Hardie Siding Concerns


For me it's the fact that it can not withstand damp or wet conditions.
I have used the "good" stuff (Hardie color match plus), very time consuming so bid accordingly. It, like most things has it's place.

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For me it's the fact that it can not withstand damp or wet conditions.
I have used the "good" stuff (Hardie color match plus), very time consuming so bid accordingly. It, like most things has it's place.
If I understand correctly, the Color Match is OK but the regular pre-primed is not?
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I’d go with LP Smartside before Hardie siding.
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I agree on the LP Smartsiding. 12 pieces means less joints. One person can carry a piece, even if you have to notch one around a window. It also has a nicer look.
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I agree on the LP Smartsiding. 12 pieces means less joints. One person can carry a piece, even if you have to notch one around a window. It also has a nicer look.
16' and Hardie blows.
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Yes ... that is what I meant to say.

It takes a while to get over leaving gaps, when you have worked with Cedar for so many years. After it is all caulked in and painted, it makes for a nice job.
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Id go with LP Smartside before Hardie siding.
Why? My customer could care less about how many joints or if one person can carry it (with or without a notch for a window).
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LOTS of Hardie here, rains all winter. The current formula doesn't seem to have issues.

Plenty of advantages.
Good in a fire
a baseball won't damage it
paint seems to last a long time
cheap.

But:
Needs to be installed and painted right.
Pain to install.
Ugly.
Ugly.

Edit: even though I'm defending it, I basically refuse to use it on my projects.
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Take a look at diamondkote as an alternative



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Why? My customer could care less about how many joints or if one person can carry it (with or without a notch for a window).
Brittle: It is extremely hard but if hit with a sudden impact the material will shatter. This can be particularly troublesome in areas where hailstorms are common. Hail damaged James Hardie products are NOT covered by their warranty.


Efflorescence: There is really nothing that can be done to prevent this and it is not covered by the James Hardie warranty.

Carcinogenic: one of the main ingredients in James Hardie siding is silica dust. Just like asbestos, when silica dust is undisturbed/NOT airborne the material poses a very little risk. And just like asbestos, Silica dust is a known carcinogen.


warranty:

LP SmartSide 50-Year Limited Warranty

James Hardie 30-Year Limited Warranty
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Ive hung lots of Hardie siding and agree with most said here .

Its heavy , brittle , and dusty when cutting
Short lengths are a pain on large walls , lots of joints
Does not hold up in damp areas
Mars easily
You can do a good job with it and it holds paint very well

Much rather use smart side , it is much easier to work with and 16 lengths means a lot fewer butt joints .
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If I had to use something other then steel think it would be the Diamond Kote. I have seen a lot of Hardi put on around here. I will not install it myself. Not always, but a lot of times is poorly installed. Loose , ugly butt joints. to many guys put it to close to the ground , concrete and roofs. I would not use it to do a dog house, MHO
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I believe the Smartside will hold up better to hail than Hardie.

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Re: James Hardie Siding Concerns


I have run tons of Hardie and in the old days Weatherboards. Weatherboards has gone the way if the Dodo, and good riddance. Lots of failures.

Hardie is much better and has a softer panel. This helps to avoid corner blow outside and it will take some abuse.

If you asked me a few years ago, I would say stay away from Smartside, as LP was the main reason we did resides. Tons of failures on the early formulations.

Now, if I had to choose, it would probably be my choice. I like to think they learned from the first go around, and lots of knowledgable guys swear by it.

I've hung a bit of it, not enough to know how it will hold up, but enough to know I prefer it for install. Hardie is just too dusty, especially in these days of dust free jobsites.

How will it hold up, who knows. We will probably know in a few years.

Haven't heard of Diamondkote, but have heard a lot about it on here. May need to look into it.

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Diamond Kote is just a finish applied to LP SS.
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Diamond Kote is just a finish applied to LP SS.
It also has the plastic spine in the back to help interlock like the old color lock Masonite stuff.
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I put Diamond Kote on my house a couple years ago and it has weathered one minor hail storm so far without leaving a mark.

One other advantage to Diamond Kote is the trims are held on by nail fins, so that there is minimal nail penetrations.

Personally, I don't care for the look of FC siding, as it's so thin that it looks generic.

The LP fake wood grain lap siding looks a little better simply because it's a thicker product with more depth.

I am however, pretty tired of looking at all of the simulated wood grain horizontal lap siding. It just screams production built tract home to me.
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I am however, pretty tired of looking at all of the simulated wood grain horizontal lap siding. It just screams production built tract home to me.
Not as much as vinyl.
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Vinyl isn't allowed in our town on new construction.
So I tend to forget it exists.

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