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Old 07-21-2012, 12:58 AM   #101
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Guys that won't spend the money on saw stands get me. My table saw and out feed can be set up in less than one minute. Miter saw maybe, thirty seconds. The good ones last forever too.
Th table saw I agree because it's a safety issue not having a stand and out feed table. But with a miter saw if I only have to make a few cuts it's not worth it, I have to load it in my vehicle to bring on site, then unload on the job, then load it back in my vehicle when I'm done, then put it away in storage when I get home. That's four trips loading and unloading, I can cut enough base to do a whole room with the time spent doing that.
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:04 AM   #102
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Silly things other carpenters do....

Show up late...or not at all...

Show up without the required tools...

Only have one tape

Mooch coffee......EVERY DAY...

Show up hung over

Come back from lunch in a slightly impaired state...

Drink booze or smoke certain agricultural commodities on the job...

To name a few...
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Silly things other carpenters do....

Show up late...or not at all...

Show up without the required tools...

Only have one tape

Mooch coffee......EVERY DAY...

Show up hung over

Come back from lunch in a slightly impaired state...

Drink booze or smoke certain agricultural commodities on the job...

To name a few...
When i smoked i hated moochers

I used to keep a Thermos of coffee, I always had help getting rid of it
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Also, bringing no spare parts for hoses, no spare hoses, bringing undersized air compressors, no back up guns... all while the needed parts are in the shop
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When it takes two guys to lift up a piece of Sheetrock and set it on saw horses to make a cut. Then snap chalk lines on it and carefully scribe free hand with their knife.15 minutes later the two of them have a piece cut. Then it's time for both of them to take a smoke break, in between their regular scheduled coffee breaks. And at the end of the day they get pissed and start yelling at me for sweeping on the opposite side of the floor they wanted me to sweep. When I spent all day busting my butt as they had to take their smoke breaks.
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Arguing with the Boss is one of the ultimate "Silly Things" anyone can do.

I had a pretty good carpenter/helper working for me years back, always asking for a raise he was. I'd say, "If you need more money all you have to do is show up 5 days a week instead of your usual 4. That's how you can make more money working for me, 40 hours will earn you more. Until then, you obviously don't need or deserve a raise. My first rule of raises is attendance."

So he continued to get 4 days a week in and asking for a raise every payday too. "No. Attendance! "

After about four months of 4 day weeks he finally gets in a full week and as usual asks for a raise. I said no, he quit.

One other "silly thing" I think other "Framers" do is mark a solo single length 2/4 square, with a square, for cutting. If you're an experienced framer then you know how to cut that 2/4 square and on the mark without marking it square with your square.
I had an employee come to me and say hey Mike, I'm here on time, I work hard and I show up everyday can I get a raise? I said to him, all that stuff you just mentioned is what your supposed to be doing why do I have to pay extra for that?
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Totally agree! Just made a jig today for our cedar soffit job. It will make sure all my nails are in the exact same spot on every piece. Homeowner wants stainless nails visible. Took 10 minutes..but will make the finished product very uniform.
We just did vertical cedar siding on a house they wanted the same exposed fasteners . We made the same drill jig for the ends. Chaulked lines for the field obviously.
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I had an employee come to me and say hey Mike, I'm here on time, I work hard and I show up everyday can I get a raise? I said to him, all that stuff you just mentioned is what your supposed to be doing why do I have to pay extra for that?
reagaurding your employee : I agree entirely with you.

It's part of what I call" the pussification of america"
people want a pat on the back-for simply doing what they are supposed to do.

want a pat on the back?- I am happy to do so--if you do something above and beyond

is your work simply competent?-well no pat on the back seems to be in order-it's what I am paying you to do!

screw something up-well THAT I am gonna comment on.

In actual practice,though-most competent employees-are able to fequently catch me about to make a mistake-or remind me"remember we were going to do this XYZ"-or will suggest" Hey---I think we should set this up like so"-----so with little effort I am able to find opportunities to thank them

but pat somebody on the back or give them a raise for simply the bare minimum required to remain employed???- nope,not gonna happen,LOL
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lol , i was using my saw stops where i could .

you guys are a f###ing riot . lol

i know each job has its true pace . demo ,framing , drywall is definetly something that you do faster than hanging a door , or millwork.stain grade needs to be more precise than paint-grade .... etc.
iits just that some guys just can`t make the most out of their time. when your the boss , unfortunaely you so see all this , see it as lost dollars.
the guy i brought up is a good guy, easy going , and easy to work with. he just second guesses himself all day.
i trust him more than he trusts himself ( he`ll say " maybe you should cut this " , and i`ll say , " nope , i know you can cut it fine , just do it,"
i guess , i just do my work more fluently , because thats ll i`ve ever done ( carpentry , and remodeling )
where as , when i watch him, or alot of other guys , they have to think about " what do i do next?" he`ll not know whether to use a flat bar or a cats paw when removing a board,or he won`t know whether to ask me to help , or try to do it himself., he won`t ask , so he struggles to get started , and to get a rythm
truly , i usually keep it to myself , and let him find his way . sometimes i will say , " come on steve , your in the weeds , your thinking to much" but its never in anger

That was my dilemma for a long time, but it was because my parents didn't believe in me and treated me like I wasn't capable. Since I FINALLY believe that I am capable, I'm kicking a$$ and taking names.
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Self confidence is a big problem I see in guys. I have that problem. Its a bugger when you get doubting yourself. It is great that you mention that you never approach his problem with anger.

You get out of it with maturity sometimes. When it is chronic though or severe it can take a man down for life.

This is most true with guys that had really had parents that battered them with words and never encouraged them. Ignored them when they needed to talk or had problems.

Keep working on him like you are. With enough polishing you could have a jem of a helper.
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I had an employee come to me and say hey Mike, I'm here on time, I work hard and I show up everyday can I get a raise? I said to him, all that stuff you just mentioned is what your supposed to be doing why do I have to pay extra for that?

Did he stay? Did you pay extra?


One of my long time good employees used to say something about the "Johnny come'n lately's".

"I came in late, and I'm going home early to make up for it."
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Did he stay? Did you pay extra?


One of my long time good employees used to say something about the "Johnny come'n lately's".

"I came in late, and I'm going home early to make up for it."
Actually I caught him smoking a fatty in his car, a couple Weeks after and fired him.

The funny thing Is he actually said to me I cant prove that was marijuana. I told him your being fired because I dont like you. He threatened the labor board on me. I really didnt like him and the rest of the crew didnt get along with him either. IMO you can be the best carpenter in the world but if you clash with me and my crew you got to go
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. IMO you can be the best carpenter in the world but if you clash with me and my crew you got to go
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I had an employee come to me and say hey Mike, I'm here on time, I work hard and I show up everyday can I get a raise? I said to him, all that stuff you just mentioned is what your supposed to be doing why do I have to pay extra for that?
I worked in a foundry for a long time. At one point, the owner told me, "If Steve can go 2 weeks without being late or absent, I told him I'd give him that raise he's been wanting."

I took maybe 1 day a year, sick day, and I was always on time. I was like, "WTF, I haven't had a raise in 2 years?"

I quit a while later, after working there for over 12 years. He was making us "cash our paychecks" in his office, not the bank. He cut everyone's pay a short time later.
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I worked in a foundry for a long time. At one point, the owner told me, "If Steve can go 2 weeks without being late or absent, I told him I'd give him that raise he's been wanting."

I took maybe 1 day a year, sick day, and I was always on time. I was like, "WTF, I haven't had a raise in 2 years?"

I quit a while later, after working there for over 12 years. He was making us "cash our paychecks" in his office, not the bank. He cut everyone's pay a short time later.
What amazes me is that people like that whine and complain about why they can't get good help, then they pull stunts like that.
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i shake my head watching some guys working
they just don`t know how to make the most of their time.
i`m hands on , and most guys just can`t keep up with me.
i`m 54
i don`t think of myself as an artist or the best . i`m a good carpenter , and i`ll leave it at that .
but just watching a guy take way too long to do something just drives me nuts.
today i had my guy cut 35- 1x10`s 130 inches on the compound mitersaw
i was cutting just as many peices of another measurent on another miter saw., and i finshed in half the time .
i watched him measure a peice , and then take the speed square and make square a line on it , then run it throught the miter saw
i told him " you don`t need a square line , the saw cuts square" but he just looked at me as if i was nuts.
most just don`t know how to do volume and make the most of their time.
Throw 12 on a set of horses, measure the first and last, putting a pencil tick, snap a line and cut them with the circular saw. 3 cuts and you are done.
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Throw 12 on a set of horses, measure the first and last, putting a pencil tick, snap a line and cut them with the circular saw. 3 cuts and you are done.
Screw all that, stack your horses up and Make a jig, I used to do the whole build up (T's, corners, headers, and laps/liners/jacks/trimmers whatever you want to call them lol) in the time it took to snap out the slab or floor system.
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silly things :
my guy showing up , and asking almosty every day " you got a pencil i can borrow"?


when you ask for a measurement with a seasoned guy , and you see him counting the 1/16ths " its 25 and one, two , three , four ,FIVE sixteenths!"

cutting a measurent on the wrong side of the mark.

heres one that always gets me razzing the hell out of my guy
he`ll take one cord out the truck ,and plug , and un-plug each power tool.
i always walk by and say " hey! we a one-cord company now?

truly , i have to laugh through out the day. i say these things kiddingly .bit it gets the message across

truthfully , i belive the guys behind you are way more important than the client . most clients yiou wee one - 2 - three times , but your workers are there every day , and making you the money.

so i say these things in fun
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silly things :
my guy showing up , and asking almosty every day " you got a pencil i can borrow"?


when you ask for a measurement with a seasoned guy , and you see him counting the 1/16ths
" its 25 and one, two , three , four ,FIVE SIXTEENTHS!"

cutting a measurent on the wrong side of the mark.

heres one that always gets me razzing the hell out of my guy
he`ll take one cord out the truck ,and plug , and un-plug each power tool.
i always walk by and say " hey! we a one-cord company now?

truly , i have to laugh through out the day. i say these things kiddingly .bit it gets the message across

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